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Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Oh that's too funny. On a side note: I signed up for the discounted $1 trial month of Xbox Game Pass just to try this game out. The download and installation process was ridiculously slow and causing my CPU to ramp up to 80-100° even while undervolting it. On a brand new i7 9750. Not sure what that was all about. I put the process on pause... I am looking forward to giving it a try, though. Anyone else have any diffi…

I also had a weird issue where minimizing the Flight Simulator window during the download/installation procedure bumped GPU usage to 55 % on a GTX 1070 until unminimizing the window again. GPU usage was hovering around 5-10% when the window was not minimized.

I got that too. Generalized - this is a consistent theme across the game. All sorts of random buggy behavior. Stick a USB input device into the PC while the game is running - it may well crash.

I recognize these kinds of bugs. They come from the developers not having a bottom-up understanding of the platforms they are working on. Instead they are working from the easiest possible code path and then try their best to squash all of the bugs, without really understanding the fundamentals.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Crashing into stuff is great fun and probably the first impulse of anyone booting up a flight simulation program (especially kids) -- so much so that flight simulation software was the target of a moral panic in 2001 after the September 11 attacks were conducted by crashing real jets into buildings. Some people began to think of flight sims as "terrorist training tools" and call for them to be banned. That's probably…

> MFS2020 can simulate an aircraft that was partially damaged after colliding with an obstacle, but a catastrophic crash will just fade to black... Lame. It’s a simulator, not a video game. What would be more realistic than this?

NTSB investigation and paperwork

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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I also had a weird issue where minimizing the Flight Simulator window during the download/installation procedure bumped GPU usage to 55 % on a GTX 1070 until unminimizing the window again. GPU usage was hovering around 5-10% when the window was not minimized.

I got that too. Generalized - this is a consistent theme across the game. All sorts of random buggy behavior. Stick a USB input device into the PC while the game is running - it may well crash. I recognize these kinds of bugs. They come from the developers not having a bottom-up understanding of the platforms they are working on. Instead they are working from the easiest possible code path and then try their best to…

I was able to crash the game once by turning on my Steam controller while the game was running. Couldn’t reproduce it though.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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> flight simulation software was the target of a moral panic in 2001 after the September 11 attacks were conducted by crashing real jets into buildings. Some people began to think of flight sims as "terrorist training tools" and call for them to be banned. I've been wondering if this is why there was so little flight simulation software out there in the last ~15 years or so. I remember visiting a retail store with so…

There have been 2 outstanding flight simulators on the market for the past ~20 years which more-or-less dominate the industry. X-Plane and MSFS are both excellent and both reasonably affordable. I suspect the lack of flight sims in retail has more to do with the fact that flight simulators are hard to create. When there is established competition with a great rep and decent pricing, it's nearly impossible to break in…

Indeed. The dearth in flight sims predated 9/11, and was likely because MFS and X-Plane filled everyone's needs adequately, with FlightGear available as an open source option.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> flight simulation software was the target of a moral panic in 2001 after the September 11 attacks were conducted by crashing real jets into buildings. Some people began to think of flight sims as "terrorist training tools" and call for them to be banned. I've been wondering if this is why there was so little flight simulation software out there in the last ~15 years or so. I remember visiting a retail store with so…

There have been 2 outstanding flight simulators on the market for the past ~20 years which more-or-less dominate the industry. X-Plane and MSFS are both excellent and both reasonably affordable. I suspect the lack of flight sims in retail has more to do with the fact that flight simulators are hard to create. When there is established competition with a great rep and decent pricing, it's nearly impossible to break in…

If you want air combat, DCS is the top choice. Because they model very complex state-of-the-art jet fighters, it is also very complex.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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I got that too. Generalized - this is a consistent theme across the game. All sorts of random buggy behavior. Stick a USB input device into the PC while the game is running - it may well crash. I recognize these kinds of bugs. They come from the developers not having a bottom-up understanding of the platforms they are working on. Instead they are working from the easiest possible code path and then try their best to…

I was able to crash the game once by turning on my Steam controller while the game was running. Couldn’t reproduce it though.

Just found my 3-month-old post where I posted a cautious note against the hype:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23133623

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Now I'm wondering if in engineering terms such a tall, thin building could be constructed.

No one's gone quite that big, but this one's similarly tall and skinny, and ~100 stories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/432_Park_Avenue

There are a couple of new buildings on Elizabeth Street in the Melbourne CBD a few miles from the virtual monolith that are reminiscent of this. Not quite as tall (around 80 stories was my street level count). Looking forward to a post covid world and visiting Melbourne again, it's a fabulous city.

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Is it morbid of me to wonder what happens if you fly a plane into such a building in Flight Simulator? It just… sticks out so much that crashing into it seems the obvious thing to try. (Judging by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhrGEdO88kE where someone eventually succeeds in landing on this building, it looks like if you fail the screen just goes black at the point of impact, so no interesting physics simulation.)

"ladies and gentlemen if you look out the window to the right you will see...the blinding hubris of mankind as it pierces the heavens to mock god himself."

Re: The 212-story skyscraper in Melbourne, Australia

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crashing into stuff is great fun and probably the first impulse of anyone booting up a flight simulation program (especially kids) -- so much so that flight simulation software was the target of a moral panic in 2001 after the September 11 attacks were conducted by crashing real jets into buildings. Some people began to think of flight sims as "terrorist training tools" and call for them to be banned. That's probably…

That's because a few of the terrorists actually used flight sim games to "train" prior to the hijackings. It wasn't completely unfounded hysteria.

And when the US military drops a bomb on a wedding party in Afghanistan, it is a certainty that those pilots/operators trained on a simulation at some point.
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