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Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

#91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every substantive viewpoint I've seen on the subject comes back to cashflow. Our national propaganda is so strong, that rather than the middle class asking "why do I have to go to work every day just to pay rent to the bank?", they've internalized the system so thoroughly that they're actually protesting to get back on the treadmill.

Frankly, if every substantive viewpoint you've seen comes back to cashflow, that means you're dismissing viewpoints you don't understand as unsubstantive. A lot of people derive most of their meaning in life from hanging out with friends and working to provide for their family; they find it miserable to sit on their butts all day watching Netflix, even if the government keeps them well fed.

The context is "re-open the economy", and so I was referring to the economic arguments. One doesn't have to just sit around watching movies. Doing so is a choice. For example, catch up on those home improvement projects you've been putting off - that is providing for your family. People that enjoy being productive will generally find a way to be productive outside the economic structure. This is still Hacker News, right?

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

#92
post #46

Wow, the comments on that blog are a dumpster fire.

HN doesn't usually fare that much better with COVID-19. It got politicized in the US, so there is a partisan faction that is going to parrot or at the very least, try to explain away, whatever the federal line of the day is, no matter how crazy.

I don't think I see many people arguing appeals to the party line. I'm probably posting more about it because I'm frustrated that, while I despise the current white house admin, I do think the lockdowns as implemented are likely to do more harm than good, especially as time goes on. I hate getting lumped in with the president, or having it be assumed that the president's line of rhetoric is representative of my thinking. I hate seeing people post dumb entitled shit about how the lockdown only hurts the rich and anyone who thinks otherwise is fine with killing people. There's so much garbage on both sides of the issue, but unlike most political issues, this one hits home for almost everyone.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

#93
post #79

What the fuck is up with those comments? I mean the answer is obvious, but still. At that point, just shut them off. As for the actual topic, it's almost as if "closed" or "open" isn't the entirety of the subject? It seems like we could be dealing with some kind of underlying meatspace problem that needs to be addressed before things can go back to "normal". Who knew?! (/s) Months ago it was apparent that this virus…

There is no evidence that washing groceries actually reduces infection risk.

Just as there was "no evidence" that wearing a respirator reduces infection risk...

The way I see it, everything coming into the house gets disinfected. This way, home can remain home, without eg needing to constantly over-worry about touching my face.

I agree it's likely overboard, which is why I threw it out as an example of ridiculous things we are doing. But the advice on TV is, at best, meant to probabilistically keep most people from spreading the infection. I'm aiming to definitively keep myself clear for the sake of my older family.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

#94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not. That is the literal wording of the quote.

“Family” includes all members of the family, including the parents. If he wanted to refer to just his children he would’ve said “children”.

"Taking my family" clearly is not intended to indicate concern for himself.

You're really tying yourself up in knots over this.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's disgusting is using (statistically insignificant) dead children to try to make your point, which is only going to be proven out by actual statistics.

How would we know the statistical significance of the harm to these children in the case of novel symptom presentation, when we don’t know the rate of overall infection, the duration of immunity, or any myriad other things about the disease path at this point? Instead of admitting our ignorance of the situation and embracing precaution, you’re painting that ignorance as strength and hiding behind appeals to decorum.…

> Instead of admitting our ignorance of the situation and embracing precaution, you’re painting that ignorance as strength and hiding behind appeals to decorum.

Where in the world are you getting that? This is not something we are totally ignorant about.

Even if the syndrome you decided to tout is 100% COVID-19s fault, it has still only killed 3 children. That is the definition of statistically insignificant.

Again – statistically, with our current knowledge, children in general do not have much to fear from this virus. We know that people are dying, and we know that the vast majority of the people dying are not, in fact, children.

You seem to be saying that because we don't know everything, we can't make informed decisions at all. But we can. Based on what we know, children have very little relative risk.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

#96
post #26

Wow, comment section there is a true dumpster fire. That said, it seems that America is just flailing about and hoping for the best. and not even expecting the worst if the comment section is to be believed.

Do yourself a favor and install shutup.css to shield yourself from one of the ultimate showcases of human idiocy — Internet comment sections. (Irony intended.) Even works on iOS.

https://github.com/panicsteve/shutup-css

https://rickyromero.com/shutup/

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

#97
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get the downvotes for the above comment. The "choice" between "stay at home forever" or "open all the things up" is a false one. If we do test/trace/isolate, and start requiring masks in enclosed spaces, we could start opening up in a fairly safe way.

That would mean it's safe for Dallas to open up, since the state is doing test/trace/isolate and the city requires masks in enclosed spaces.

I don't know if its similar in Dallas but in Houston when I drive by gas stations, bars, and restaurants most people aren't wearing masks.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

#98
I have to say I feel really sad how out of touch with life outside most of HN posters are. It must be nice to wax about theoretical problems and theoretical solutions when one thinks he is secure about where his or her check is coming from.

Let me tell you about what is happening in New York. On Saturday I saw a line three blocks long. Not tiny blocks. New York sized long blocks. That was a line filled with mostly blacks and latinos, some with children. It was barely moving. At the end of the line there was national guard giving out small shopping bags on onions, carrots and potatoes. Based on me timing it I estimate it took ~3 hours for someone joining at the end of the line to get what is, objectively, $10 worth of vegetables if bought in one of the supermarkets targeting poor Hispanic community. The only reason why they are standing in that line for three hours is because that $10 to them is money. Oh and if your state unemployment claim is "pending" then you do not get the fed $600/week unemployment either.

There's a very popular Bar/restaurant in Bushwick ran by a great but rather odd dude. 191 Knickerbocker. I guess he is relatively well off or he is good enterprising guy who manages to raise a lot of money. It provides free meals a couple of times a week. No questions asked. They are not much but they would certainly get you through the day. It has a half a block long line, split relatively evenly between latinos and whites. Initially the latter group did not want to be seen in the line, hiding their faces when others whom they thought were in the same socio-economic demographics went by. Occasionally you would see people crying. By now they don't care -- just avoid eye contact.

About a week ago on Saturday one of the chefy driven relief trucks showed up. The went around the entire block by the middle of the day. When the people got there, they got two small paper bags of vegetables. The lines was mostly latinos. From talking to a couple of people who were volunteering they estimated about 4 hour wait between the time one joined the line and the time to get those bags.

My wife, who worked a white collar medicine related field was laid off and filed for unemployment in mid-march. Her unemployment claim is still pending. She's not alone. There are people who lost their jobs around beginning of March who are in the same boat. The NYS unemployment system does not have real time status. It does not have messaging. Its call system does not support queuing! People redial hundreds of times a day through the maze of prompts just to be disconnected because there are too many people calling. She legitimately lost it a couple of times. If I was not still making money, we would have been eating through the savings to cover rent. We rent our apartment from a family who lives in the same building. Both of them have been laid off. Neither of them have been able to get unemployment -- their claims are "pending". Every week they look more and more terrified as the only thing that lets them to put food on a table is me paying rent. And there's an eviction moratorium now until August, which means I can , at the cost of ruining a relationship with the landlord to whom I'm paying market rent, stop paying them. Oh and NYS unemployment fund is running out of money.

Last week the first of my wife's friends who used to only worry about when they would be able to go out to do "girl's brunch" have been laid off. The laid off person is shell shocked. At the end of April their company was absolutely convinced there were no layoffs coming.

We are only in the first act. This economic showdown only started at the end of March. Unless you own your own company and you can cut 90% of your expenses and still get enough revenue to pay yourself your white collar job is not safe. People working for companies in layoffs.fyi are the example.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

#99
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN doesn't usually fare that much better with COVID-19. It got politicized in the US, so there is a partisan faction that is going to parrot or at the very least, try to explain away, whatever the federal line of the day is, no matter how crazy.

I don't think I see many people arguing appeals to the party line. I'm probably posting more about it because I'm frustrated that, while I despise the current white house admin, I do think the lockdowns as implemented are likely to do more harm than good, especially as time goes on. I hate getting lumped in with the president, or having it be assumed that the president's line of rhetoric is representative of my think…

No one wants or thinks the lockdowns are a long-term solution. They were put in place to :

1) Stop the health care system from being slammed.

2) Buy time for testing/tracing/isolation, and get enough PPE for health care workers.

The fact that we are squandering that time is a travesty that has a cost measured in lives, and billions of dollars as the economy worsens.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

#100
post #72

The bigger story here is the comment section. Why are Americans so enamored with conspiracy theories and hate?

It’s not just America... You have anti-5G/anti vaccine nuts in Canada and Europe too. We just seem to be louder.
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