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Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by davidw »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #28
Nbox9 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand how people can think complete eradication is even possible. Eradication, to the point that contract tracing is a viable containment method, has been achieved by other countries. It is completely possible.

It's not clear that it has been. Singapore was at that point, until a sudden spike in new cases overwhelmed them and they had to lock down. South Korea just re-closed their bars and pushed back school reopenings, because a single guy started a cluster of 80 cases and they don't trust their contact tracing to handle that many. Taiwan and Vietnam are either lucky or have better strategies than simply "do a lot of conta…

It's not eradication, but it's a much more fine-grained tool that lets some of the economy open back up in a safer way. It's what we should be aiming for everywhere.

The US might not be able to do quite as well, but it feels like we're barely even trying.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by ashtonkem »

fastball wrote: post #25
elliekelly wrote: post #2

> And bigger picture, I wanted to know if these are places that I would feel safe taking my family to. I think this is the most important metric as far as “re-opening the economy” goes but it seems to be largely ignored by politicians.

Given that your children are unlikely to be at serious risk from COVID-19, I'm not sure why. Your child is much more likely to be adversely affected (in the long term) by sustained economic stagnation than by this virus.

I’m sure Mark Cuban would also like to avoid the risk of leaving their children without a mother or father too.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

mindslight wrote: post #15
claudeganon wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Re-open the economy” talk has reached levels of collective delusion that I honestly find frightening. And it’s not a partisan issue either. We have the example of successful responses in places like South Korea and Taiwan, none of whose standard the US seems intent, or maybe even capable, of meeting. Instead, people in the US cling to phony performances of leadership by their various authoritarians, whether it be An…

Every substantive viewpoint I've seen on the subject comes back to cashflow. Our national propaganda is so strong, that rather than the middle class asking "why do I have to go to work every day just to pay rent to the bank?", they've internalized the system so thoroughly that they're actually protesting to get back on the treadmill.

Frankly, if every substantive viewpoint you've seen comes back to cashflow, that means you're dismissing viewpoints you don't understand as unsubstantive. A lot of people derive most of their meaning in life from hanging out with friends and working to provide for their family; they find it miserable to sit on their butts all day watching Netflix, even if the government keeps them well fed.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by prawn »

torgian wrote: post #26

Wow, comment section there is a true dumpster fire. That said, it seems that America is just flailing about and hoping for the best. and not even expecting the worst if the comment section is to be believed.

The broader topic of the pandemic brings out inane discussion in other countries and on other sites too.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by davidw »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #57
davidw wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get the downvotes for the above comment. The "choice" between "stay at home forever" or "open all the things up" is a false one. If we do test/trace/isolate, and start requiring masks in enclosed spaces, we could start opening up in a fairly safe way.

That would mean it's safe for Dallas to open up, since the state is doing test/trace/isolate and the city requires masks in enclosed spaces.

This site doesn't show Texas as really having the capacity to do that effectively, but it could be wrong or a bit out of date, as much is these days even if well-intentioned.

https://testandtrace.com/

Mark Cuban's article indicates that masks are not as prevalent as they ought to be.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by fastball »

claudeganon wrote: post #59
fastball wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have no idea about the long term effects of closing down economies either. In statistical terms, very few children have died of COVID-19. We're not even sure that syndrome you mentioned is caused by COVID-19, so it seems a bit premature to tell anything to their parents. Kinda disgusting you'd go there so quickly, in fact.

We’re not certain, but all signs point to it being so, and we’re rushing advisements to pediatric care providers accordingly: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Bay-Area-baby-s-... I don’t understand why demanding caution against harm to children in a dangerous, unpredictable situation is “disgusting.” It certainly seems less so to me then an a false confidence that could throw them into harms way.

What's disgusting is using (statistically insignificant) dead children to try to make your point, which is only going to be proven out by actual statistics.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by timbigman »

will_walker wrote: post #24
timbigman wrote: post #14

Of everyone doing this, I think that he should have more sympathy for those struggling during this time. Don't hire people to find violations. Help out people that are starving

He’s not posting any identifying information. This is incredibly valuable service for those in reopening states to make an informed decision on whether to continue to take precautions.

Many people in tech all speak from an incredible place of privilege, being able to work from home.

There are many that are depressed and sitting at home.

These are the people we need to help.

Instead of trying to find violations, look for people that are hurting and help them out

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by fastball »

ashtonkem wrote: post #62
fastball wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that your children are unlikely to be at serious risk from COVID-19, I'm not sure why. Your child is much more likely to be adversely affected (in the long term) by sustained economic stagnation than by this virus.

I’m sure Mark Cuban would also like to avoid the risk of leaving their children without a mother or father too.

I am merely taking the wording at face value. The point was not "is this a place I would want to shop?", it was "is this a place I would take my family?" The implication is clearly different.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by ashtonkem »

fastball wrote: post #68
ashtonkem wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure Mark Cuban would also like to avoid the risk of leaving their children without a mother or father too.

I am merely taking the wording at face value. The point was not "is this a place I would want to shop?", it was "is this a place I would take my family?" The implication is clearly different.

That’s an uncharitably narrow interpretation, and kind of a silly point to argue.

Re: I hired a team of shoppers to find out how businesses were opening in Dallas

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

davidw wrote: post #61
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear that it has been. Singapore was at that point, until a sudden spike in new cases overwhelmed them and they had to lock down. South Korea just re-closed their bars and pushed back school reopenings, because a single guy started a cluster of 80 cases and they don't trust their contact tracing to handle that many. Taiwan and Vietnam are either lucky or have better strategies than simply "do a lot of conta…

It's not eradication, but it's a much more fine-grained tool that lets some of the economy open back up in a safer way. It's what we should be aiming for everywhere. The US might not be able to do quite as well, but it feels like we're barely even trying.

Agreed. But everywhere I know of, including Texas, is indeed aiming to do lots of contact tracing so opening up the economy is safer.
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