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Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by subpixel »

wgerard wrote: post #43

Long-term NYC resident here (I haven't hit my decade yet, so I'll avoid calling myself a New Yorker to dodge any ire). I've heard rumblings from a lot of people about moving out, mostly from people who haven't really set down roots here - which makes sense. The appeal of New York is largely all the stuff to do, and without being able to do stuff you're just stuck in a very small space that you pay a lot of money for.…

I left when Day Care closed and am not sure how I feel about ever returning while social distancing is still common sense. Because Day Care is essentially exposing yourself to the germs carried by twenty other children, their families, the caregivers, and their families.

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Post by jshaqaw »

Non-New Yorkers love to speculate about the end of New York with a passion which fascinates me as someone who has lived here for two decades. I love it here. Not for everyone. If you dig your exurb keep at it and enjoy.

NYC always has a transient crowd and a permanent crowd. It doesn't surprise me that a lot of the people who would have moved to the burbs within 1-5 years are accelerating that timeline. For us permanent residents we can't imagine living anywhere else. All of this was said after 9/11. I don't find that my rent today is lower than it was in 2002.

Let me also add that people today are fleeing dense areas under the belief that they can escape Coronavirus. Newsflash - everyone is probably going to get this. Flatten the curve was never about escaping the virus altogether - it is about smoothing out the burden on the healthcare system.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by tomg »

wgerard wrote: post #43

Long-term NYC resident here (I haven't hit my decade yet, so I'll avoid calling myself a New Yorker to dodge any ire). I've heard rumblings from a lot of people about moving out, mostly from people who haven't really set down roots here - which makes sense. The appeal of New York is largely all the stuff to do, and without being able to do stuff you're just stuck in a very small space that you pay a lot of money for.…

I'm one of those people who live

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by ahelwer »

WalterBright wrote: post #87
ahelwer wrote: post #76

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Even if you want to analyze it from a psychopathic economics perspective, it still makes sense to provide socialized housing and free mental health support to people who are homeless, because there is no other way they'll become "productive" again without that base. Or you can view it as us paying for the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets from so many of us software enginee…

> the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets The vast bulk of the Seattle homeless are homeless due to drug and alcohol addiction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw Even "60 Minutes" did a segment on it in the last year, and they kept finding drug and alcohol addiction underlying the problems of the Seattle homeless they profiled.

Yes, drug & alcohol addiction is widespread in the general non-homeless population and makes it difficult to ensure steady income. When the cost of rent rises dramatically, this means people with those issues are likely to find themselves homeless. Addictions are difficult to kick in the best of times (who among us doesn't know of some rich kid who's been in and out of rehab into their 30s?) and basically impossible when homeless. Not sure what your point is here.

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Post by ahelwer »

burrows wrote: post #85
ahelwer wrote: post #76

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Even if you want to analyze it from a psychopathic economics perspective, it still makes sense to provide socialized housing and free mental health support to people who are homeless, because there is no other way they'll become "productive" again without that base. Or you can view it as us paying for the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets from so many of us software enginee…

> it still makes sense to provide socialized housing and free mental health support to people who are homeless, because there is no other way they'll become "productive" again without that base. People that agree with this statement should organize and do just that. Leave everyone else out of it. > Or you can view it as us paying for the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets fr…

You'll be happy to know we are indeed organizing! https://www.taxamazon.net/sign

Perhaps one day you'll appreciate the psychopathy of telling people they should just move away from their lifelong home. Not everyone is a detached knowledge worker hopping around sampling cities like they're a plate of hors d'oeuvres. Moving is also quite expensive.

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Post by ahelwer »

WalterBright wrote: post #86
ahelwer wrote: post #56

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* World-class rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking less than an hour's drive from downtown * I moved here from Canada, the weather really isn't that bad; it's been a beautiful spring here while all my Canadian friends are still dealing with snow * Seattle has a huge number of sakura and so the city has beautiful pink cherry blossom clouds everywhere for the entire month of April * The entire environment is so in…

> low taxes - directly contributes to the issue of homelessness and half of your complaints. I've lived here for 40 years. It's always had low taxes, but the problems you're talking about are very recent.

Yes, the rise in rent has been quite dramatic recently - and our social services have been utterly ill-prepared to handle the fallout, because of low taxes.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by viklove »

wgerard wrote: post #43

Long-term NYC resident here (I haven't hit my decade yet, so I'll avoid calling myself a New Yorker to dodge any ire). I've heard rumblings from a lot of people about moving out, mostly from people who haven't really set down roots here - which makes sense. The appeal of New York is largely all the stuff to do, and without being able to do stuff you're just stuck in a very small space that you pay a lot of money for.…

"I'm not leaving because of the virus, I'm leaving because because of the virus I can't go out"

Strange distinction to make, isn't it?

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by viklove »

jshaqaw wrote: post #92

Non-New Yorkers love to speculate about the end of New York with a passion which fascinates me as someone who has lived here for two decades. I love it here. Not for everyone. If you dig your exurb keep at it and enjoy. NYC always has a transient crowd and a permanent crowd. It doesn't surprise me that a lot of the people who would have moved to the burbs within 1-5 years are accelerating that timeline. For us perman…

> Non-New Yorkers love to speculate about the end of New York with a passion which fascinates me

What makes you say this? Looks like it's pretty much only "New-Yorkers" commenting on this submission...

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by vonmoltke »

Fricken wrote: post #72
nitrogen wrote: post #70

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It's a meme that just won't die even when we are currently seeing the major downsides of very high population densities. I moved from SF to a suburb in another state (with a balanced budget requirement) and have 3x the space for ⅓ the price. I am still closer in commute time to the major job centers than most of my SF coworkers were.

High density neighbourhoods are too popular, nobody lives in those places anymore.

Unlike restaurants, which the original quote referred to, people sometimes live in places they don't like because of extenuating circumstances. Just because a whole bunch of people are living in densely-packed neighborhoods doesn't mean they all want to live in them.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by ahelwer »

Kephael wrote: post #81
ahelwer wrote: post #16

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Because Seattle's a pretty great city to live in? You can still easily find rent below $1500/month for a 1 bedroom on Capitol Hill, it isn't too insane. Editing to add Seattle has world-class rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking under an hour's drive from downtown, and if you aren't doing that you're probably missing out on half the joy of living here.

You can maybe get a micro studio in cap hill for $1500/mo, but any 1 Bed / 1 Bath at that price point probably hasn't been renovated since 1974. You need to spend 50% more to get something "decent", and your walking commute to actual jobs is going to approach 30 minutes for the lower priced stuff.

Let go of your desire to have something built within the past five years and your horizons broaden considerably. There are plenty of beautiful buildings just a few blocks off the Pike/Pine corridor that are perfectly comfortable & livable. A quick look at craigslist confirms this, although prices are higher now that weather is nice - you can usually save $200/month by renewing your lease in January or February.
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