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Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by Kephael »

ahelwer wrote: post #16
daenz wrote: post #14

I'm considering relocating from Seattle purely based on the fact that we can make WFH commonplace. Why pay insane rents to physically be in a location I can work remotely?

Because Seattle's a pretty great city to live in? You can still easily find rent below $1500/month for a 1 bedroom on Capitol Hill, it isn't too insane. Editing to add Seattle has world-class rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking under an hour's drive from downtown, and if you aren't doing that you're probably missing out on half the joy of living here.

You can maybe get a micro studio in cap hill for $1500/mo, but any 1 Bed / 1 Bath at that price point probably hasn't been renovated since 1974. You need to spend 50% more to get something "decent", and your walking commute to actual jobs is going to approach 30 minutes for the lower priced stuff.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by ranDOMscripts »

crooked-v wrote: post #37
nugget wrote: post #2

I saw a statistic that 0.25% of NYC’s population has already died from Coronavirus (15k/6m). It seems worse there due to the density, and similarly dense cities like London are in the same boat.

On the other hand, California has a much lower death rate despite having cities with a population density in the same magnitude as NYC, which seems to suggest some level of luck of the draw here in initial unrecorded spread before lockdowns came into place.

I'm going to venture a guess that lifestyle is a huge factor in the difference. People are generally more active out west (better weather, more open spaces/ parks/ mountains, better beaches, etc.) and smoke far fewer cigarettes.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by WalterBright »

autokad wrote: post #32
ahelwer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Seattle's a pretty great city to live in? You can still easily find rent below $1500/month for a 1 bedroom on Capitol Hill, it isn't too insane. Editing to add Seattle has world-class rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking under an hour's drive from downtown, and if you aren't doing that you're probably missing out on half the joy of living here.

> "Because Seattle's a pretty great city to live in?" I feel like thats a minority opinion. The weather is terrible, the food is terrible, service at restaurants (or pretty much service in general) is terrible. A huge portion of the city shuts down at night. Where NYC is a city that doesn't sleep, Seattle sleeps. There are drug needles in the streets, and I routinely see homeless people defecating on sidewalks. I eve…

> The only thing I see that Seattle has going for it is low taxes.

The Seattle City Council is tirelessly working to fix that.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by gshdg »

kolikotime wrote: post #4

This isn’t any surprise, we will see a swelling of growth in Westchester, Long Island, Southern Connecticut, and Northern New Jersey, especially if partial remote work stays normalised as well. I don’t see a massive exodus out of the metro area, but the suburban share will likely grow.

Growth in those areas is supply-constrained, though. There aren't a ton of available homes; construction lags demand; there isn't all that much undeveloped land left in those counties; and they'll all be resistant to denser zoning.

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Post by burrows »

ahelwer wrote: post #76
burrows wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's funny that the thing you think Seattle has going for it - low taxes - directly contributes to the issue of homelessness and half of your complaints. We should reward non-productive people with other people's money? You don't give the rat his meal until he completes the maze.

Even if you want to analyze it from a psychopathic economics perspective, it still makes sense to provide socialized housing and free mental health support to people who are homeless, because there is no other way they'll become "productive" again without that base. Or you can view it as us paying for the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets from so many of us software enginee…

> it still makes sense to provide socialized housing and free mental health support to people who are homeless, because there is no other way they'll become "productive" again without that base.

People that agree with this statement should organize and do just that. Leave everyone else out of it.

> Or you can view it as us paying for the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets from so many of us software engineers moving to the area.

No one "deserves" a house. Move somewhere cheaper if you can't afford to live in Seattle.

> Or you can view people experiencing homelessness as humans inherently worthy of dignity. No matter which way you view it though, your approach of letting them die in the streets is the wrong one.

Your stated alternative is worse.

1. Tax a productive person.

2. Make a big fuss about new government social program.

3. Drug users still die in street.

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Post by WalterBright »

ahelwer wrote: post #56
autokad wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Because Seattle's a pretty great city to live in?" I feel like thats a minority opinion. The weather is terrible, the food is terrible, service at restaurants (or pretty much service in general) is terrible. A huge portion of the city shuts down at night. Where NYC is a city that doesn't sleep, Seattle sleeps. There are drug needles in the streets, and I routinely see homeless people defecating on sidewalks. I eve…

* World-class rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking less than an hour's drive from downtown * I moved here from Canada, the weather really isn't that bad; it's been a beautiful spring here while all my Canadian friends are still dealing with snow * Seattle has a huge number of sakura and so the city has beautiful pink cherry blossom clouds everywhere for the entire month of April * The entire environment is so in…

> low taxes - directly contributes to the issue of homelessness and half of your complaints.

I've lived here for 40 years. It's always had low taxes, but the problems you're talking about are very recent.

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Post by WalterBright »

ahelwer wrote: post #76
burrows wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's funny that the thing you think Seattle has going for it - low taxes - directly contributes to the issue of homelessness and half of your complaints. We should reward non-productive people with other people's money? You don't give the rat his meal until he completes the maze.

Even if you want to analyze it from a psychopathic economics perspective, it still makes sense to provide socialized housing and free mental health support to people who are homeless, because there is no other way they'll become "productive" again without that base. Or you can view it as us paying for the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets from so many of us software enginee…

> the negative externality of rising housing prices forcing people onto the streets

The vast bulk of the Seattle homeless are homeless due to drug and alcohol addiction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw

Even "60 Minutes" did a segment on it in the last year, and they kept finding drug and alcohol addiction underlying the problems of the Seattle homeless they profiled.

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Post by egypturnash »

autokad wrote: post #32
ahelwer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Seattle's a pretty great city to live in? You can still easily find rent below $1500/month for a 1 bedroom on Capitol Hill, it isn't too insane. Editing to add Seattle has world-class rock climbing, mountaineering, and hiking under an hour's drive from downtown, and if you aren't doing that you're probably missing out on half the joy of living here.

> "Because Seattle's a pretty great city to live in?" I feel like thats a minority opinion. The weather is terrible, the food is terrible, service at restaurants (or pretty much service in general) is terrible. A huge portion of the city shuts down at night. Where NYC is a city that doesn't sleep, Seattle sleeps. There are drug needles in the streets, and I routinely see homeless people defecating on sidewalks. I eve…

God yes, I left there for my hometown a year ago and it's so much better. I have sunlight again, I live in a 3-bedroom house in the middle of town that I pay 2/3 of what I paid for a decaying 2br in the U, there's all kinds of colorful wildlife around, there's a thriving arts scene because people who are not making big IT money can actually afford to live there. And homelessness is much more under control, Seattle was insane on that front.

I miss legal weed, but I sure don't miss much of anything else in Seattle.

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by vsef »

perseusprime11 wrote: post #19

WFH will become norm and folks can move around easily.

I love WFH and work for a large company which shifted to WFH early and in which in theory remote work should be very doable.

My hope for this experience was that people would realize how productive WFH is and this would be great because it would normalize it and everyone would realize how well it works and... my perception of the reaction to it is unfortunately that most people at the company are wildly negative about it right now. Across the board. So much so that it's kind of shocked me. I had to stop talking about how much I liked it because it was upsetting people.

I wish people wouldn't judge the productivity of WFH from doing so under a duress during a pandemic but I'm actually really worried this whole experience is pushing people to be more convinced that WFH is unproductive than they were before the pandemic :(

Re: New Yorkers consider relocating post coronavirus

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Post by thrmway »

wgerard wrote: post #43

Long-term NYC resident here (I haven't hit my decade yet, so I'll avoid calling myself a New Yorker to dodge any ire). I've heard rumblings from a lot of people about moving out, mostly from people who haven't really set down roots here - which makes sense. The appeal of New York is largely all the stuff to do, and without being able to do stuff you're just stuck in a very small space that you pay a lot of money for.…

>Interestingly I haven't really met anyone considering leaving the city because of the virus itself (i.e. because of concern due to population density), only those really feeling the lifestyle restrictions.

Are you really even meeting people at all though considering pretty much everyone in NYC is home in isolation.

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