Report on the characteristics of Covid-19 positive deceased patients in Italy [pdf]

Post by gvjddbnvdrbv » Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 6:11 AM UTC

dakrisht wrote: post #17

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> Elderly folks aren’t necessarily out and about drinking espresso and touching surfaces yet alone having younger asymptomatic carriers cough on them. From what I understand about Italian culture, they kind of are. Older Italians seem to have much stronger social lives than in the US.

There’s truth to this and perhaps I jumped to an invalid American based assumption, stupid given that I’m European. In Europe, the elderly are out and about, walking, sitting at parks, drinking coffee, the works. They’re actually still doing this as we speak in countries, from what friends and family tell me. Go figure. However, even if they are in cafes, grocery stores, parks - the numbers are still very high. This…

Post by ram1981 » Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 9:51 PM UTC

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Another important insight is that Viruses, and germs in general, try to evolve and adapt inside the host. They don’t gain if they end up killing the host because that ends them too. Not to sound apocalyptic but I think their holy grail is something like what the machines do to humans in the movie Matrix

> Another important insight is that Viruses, and germs in general, try to evolve and adapt inside the host. That assumption has no basis at all. Evolutionary pressures don't happen due to a intentional guidance from the evolving species. Individuals mutate by chance and replicate as they can. That's it.

Post by ithkuil » Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 12:27 PM UTC

randcraw wrote: post #50

Arnt wrote: post #11

I found page 3 most remarkable: 48% of those who die of covid-19 in Italy also suffer from three or more other diseases (or did recently), and 99.2% suffer from one or more.

A very high fraction of folks past age 75 have one or more of these diseases. Before concluding that they contribute, the next question should be, how many people in that population at that age have ZERO comorbid diseases? Likely, it's very few. So these comorbidities may actually have little causal role leading to mortality. We can't know from just this data. Until we learn more, we can't conclude 1) that comorbidit…