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Will Korea sell us tests? Will anyone? Has this been discussed anywhere?
Hopefully ones that work. Here's what you can buy on Alibaba.[1] Some of those are probably totally bogus.
[1] https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product...
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I mean, the CEO and the employees are literally part of the free market.
So is the wild animal trade that introduced the virus? I mean if something is just shorthand for "things people do", it gets credit and blame for a lot of things...
And yep, that trade is "market" too. And it does get blamed for a lot of things, some of them unwarranted.
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Here in Denmark we have just shut our borders. You can no longer enter as Swede. We as nation put on extreme measures but there is no visibility. What is the true number of infected in Denmark? There is no sampling or systematic measurement going on. We probably know less than you guys in Sweden yet we choose the most extreme actions. We just had our PM go on national TV and call on all Danes to return to Denmark as…
And I thought it was only here in the USA... Almost good to know that we're not alone in our incompetence. At least next time around we should all be prepared like Taiwan was this time.
It's not just the inefficiency of central governments. The main problem, at least here, is that people seem reluctant to follow guidelines, and thus the state had to enforce stricter rules. The same happened in Italy and it's the reason incidents skyrocketed. Everyone was fucking around thinking that it's just another variant of the flu. And then reality hit them like a ton of bricks.
Will Korea sell us tests? Will anyone? Has this been discussed anywhere?
The machines for this test are not approved in the US. Secondly even if that was waived, there it the issue of getting the machines here, setting them up and training people in the lab. And the reality is a huge number of countries also want these tests. I've read however that FDA just approved a new test on Roche lab equipment which many labs already have. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/13/scott-gottlieb-us-to-conduct…
Here is FDA authorization for CDC test: https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download. The required machine is Applied Biosystems 7500, and CDC targeted it because it is approved, widely available, trained on, etc. in USA.
Here is product information page from one of South Korean test suppliers: http://www.solgent.com/english/sub03020102/view/id/45. It is compatible with Bio-Rad CFX96 and Applied Biosystems 7500, and was approved as such in South Korea. While Bio-Rad's machine is more popular in South Korea, they obviously thought of exporting.
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I had a tweet from Flightradar24 show up on my timeline earlier: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1238102765081186306... It kinda hit me immediately why this whole containment thing wasn't really working out. And this was March 12! How on earth do we tell people to not go outside, but months after it all started there are still thousands of airplanes flying. Honorary mention for the countries that sent milita…
Yeah, it explains why the testing isn't happening as well. Why bother doing surveillance testing if you've already surrendered to a 70% infection rate? There's no point. Better to just let people come to the hospital if they absolutely need to, rather than risk people coming to the ER just because they tested positive. It is possible that Italy has made a mistake in doing as many tests as they have. I'm not sure what…
That will help flatten the curve.
In concert, universal healthcare at point of service is a must.
As is propping up the people via direct material aid. Food. Rent money. Paid sick leave.
I thought I heard Trump say that interest on federal student loans would be “waived”. Did he mean forgive or defer? I don’t know if it’s at all true because he is a compulsive liar.
If it is true, great. But insufficient.
What we also need is a debt jubilee and infra & public investments that are truly net-positive for the neediest.
This will lead to inflation. Which by the way will be sorely needed. And by every affected country. I’m curious about the MMT community‘s point of view on this.
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>anyone with symptoms to self isolate for a week, regardless of positive test. In an ideal world we would already be doing this. I know that some people have to show up to work even if they're sick, but even at my job where we have unlimited sick leave, and are encouraged to use it, people still show up coughing and sniffling. I don't get it. If your employer encourages you to work from home when you're sick, and you…
> know that some people have to show up to work even if they're sick, but even at my job where we have unlimited sick leave, and are encouraged to use it, people still show up coughing and sniffling. yes, the 'overzealous hero employee' archetype is very real. The Coronavirus aside I just wish this would generally become socially unacceptable. Not just during a pandemic but in general sacrificing health or sleep or s…
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There are test kits in the UK, but the same policy applies. Why? Because it no longer matters, the containment effort for individual cases is now over. Now we move on to more mass actions to delay and slow the peak of the epidemic - anyone with symptoms to self isolate for a week, regardless of positive test.
I suppose limitations on testing are going to make the official numbers less useful going forward, not that they were taken as anything but a very rough lower bound so far. I mean, the Johns Hopkins map shows 13 infections in Ohio, and you have the director of the Ohio Department of Health saying it's 100,000. How do we know if either are anywhere close to right? Presumably when things get bad it'll be impossible to…
Here is data where “Total” is meant to represent the number tested. Ideally we would see this also represented as a percentage of the local population.
The situation in Stockholm, Sweden right now is: “You who have symptoms similar to coronavirus will not be tested in the future. This applies regardless of whether you have been in the areas that were previously exposed to infection or had close contact with someone you know is ill in covid-19.” There are no test kits. Hospitals have run out of face masks. And it’s only just getting started here.
In order to determine who to test, you need to base it on what your actions will be with a positive or negative result. If someone is showing mild Corona virus symptoms and can safely quarantine themselves, then there isn't a lot of value in testing. The result isn't going to change what you do. Where it's useful is controlling transmission. When you identify a patient, find out who they came in contact with and conf…
I just finished listening to a veteran virologist give a 2 hour interview. It’s being blown way out of proportion. Nobody under the age of 9 has died, period. Under the age of 30 your mortality probability is vanishingly small. It’s only a threat to people who have a compromised immune system because of age, diabetes or something like that. This is nothing like the Spanish flu. Unlike influenza viruses, these viruses…
Would love to see your sources. I’m shocked there are still people like you claiming this is all an overreaction while the smart folk are all bracing for impact. You gotta get it together man, this is bigger than anything you’ve ever seen in your life. If we’re very lucky it’ll be bad in the coming weeks and months, if we’re not it’ll be much much worse.
I just finished listening to a veteran virologist give a 2 hour interview. It’s being blown way out of proportion. Nobody under the age of 9 has died, period. Under the age of 30 your mortality probability is vanishingly small. It’s only a threat to people who have a compromised immune system because of age, diabetes or something like that. This is nothing like the Spanish flu. Unlike influenza viruses, these viruses…
"It’s only a threat to people who have a compromised immune system because of age, diabetes or something like that." Yeah forget those people. /s