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No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Will 25% more cyclists have much of an impact on the number of cars on the road? 25% more of a small number is still a small number.

It will have an impact on congestion. For instance in Brussels, a 10% reduction in number of cars on the road translates to a 40% percent reduction in traffic jams.

Which seems like it would translate to at least 10% more people being willing to drive...

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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There are numbers on speed, but are there any on throughput?

Throughput doesn’t change with speed, just like with cars the rate is the same at 5 or 75MPH because the spacing in terms of time stays constant. What improves is the latency for individual riders, and the reliability of the bus arriving on schedule.

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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post #26

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Of course, that makes car use more attractive again.

Yep. Physicists laugh at economists, but this is the same underlying structure that explains how even though everything we use is now more energy efficient, we use more energy overall.

Flat out wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_the_United_States

The US is today consuming less energy than it was in 1970.

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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I live in Graz and I'm hard of hearing. Hearing aids make locating where some kinds of sounds come from difficult, so I miss a lot of acoustic cues that pedestrians use to navigate their way through busy places. I've been run down once by a bicyclist and once by a skateboarder while I was walking on mixed use pathways. The skateboarder took a harder fall than I did, still helped me up, and sincerely apologized. I fra…

Bikes shouldn't share the lane with pedestrians any more than they should share it with cars. In an ideal world they would look more like Danish ones, with all 3 separated by at least a small kerb. This helps pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers alike. Cycling in Denmark was the best cycling experience I ever had relative to the way bike lanes are designed (definitely not related to the cyclists that were sometimes fal…

Bikes can certainly share pedestrian areas, they just need to ride slower, the walkways need to be wide, and the walkways should be easy to enter and exit in the case you need to ride around groups of people (shallow curbs you ride up and down). Look at Osaka, you have almost free reign on a bicycle there. Bikes are slow, cars are slow, but it all flows. Bikes even join foot traffic in shopping precints. But when it's too busy people are no longer on their bikes anyway, because the whole place is walkable.

It takes a level of empathy and cooperation I think doesn't exist in the bike versus car debate, because it has become an "us versus them" debate and everyone is trying to win not collaborate.

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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The linked article (1) says the redesign will have "sidewalk level bike lanes". If there's a way for local people to comment on this, please encourage these to be changed to in-between-road-and-sidewalk level. (Or road level with a continuous kerb in between). This makes it much, much easier for pedestrians not to accidentally wander into the lane. (2) 1 https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Car-free-Market-...…

As a Dutchie blunders like the one you mention are so stupifying... Takes you a ten minute visit to NL to figure out why you need to separate modalities consistently, yet even as close as Germany and France cities are designed so obviously by people who never ever bike.

The curb is a hazard to cyclists, more so than a crash with inattentive pedestrians. The majority of Dutch cycle lanes are level with the sidewalk and how often do you hear of accidents (not caused by mopeds)?

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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It still doesn't make sense that they let the "yellow" taxis continue driving on market. They are on average much worse drivers

There are fewer of them and they are more efficient, running at higher passenger utilization.

This can’t be true. Taxis often run with zero passengers, whereas a private car never does.

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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post #76

I'm always wondering what about people with disabilities, older people with problems with walking, pregnant women, families with four kids, etc. Sometimes the public transport for such people is problematic and using taxi all the time is too expensive. Total banning cars makes a great space for the healthy ones, the rest is happily ignored. And this is sad. I like decreasing the number of cars, not forbidding them at…

It's much safer and easier to navigate around in a wheelchair without cars zooming by honking and splashing you. A world designed around cars is extremely hostile to the elderly, disabled, and children.

Dangerous to all people not in the cars--those people are just affected more.

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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>His conclusion: When cities shut streets off to cars, people drive less. The myth of a “carmageddon”-style traffic jam is apparently overblown. This seems to completely ignore the fact that what actually has occured here is that the reduction of drivers is a negative for those drivers. Those drivers now either have to cycle or use public transport instead of their cars or have to move. That might seem positive to th…

> it's a massive negative impact on the people effected by this. The people who switched are the people at the margin. Previously, taking their cars was slightly more convenient, now it's slightly less. Anyone who would be massively inconvenienced is still driving, because they still have that option.

And those people who strongly prefer driving now have less competition. They are also winning.

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will have an impact on congestion. For instance in Brussels, a 10% reduction in number of cars on the road translates to a 40% percent reduction in traffic jams.

Which seems like it would translate to at least 10% more people being willing to drive...

And yet, even more will discover than riding a bike is more pleasant than driving a car once the city has been designed that way.

I'm one of them, and many of my friends are just waiting for the infrastructure to be further improved to make the switch. More space, better markings (…), just more reasons to drop the expensive, polluting, stressing space-taking cars and take a breath of fresh air while commuting.

Re: No ‘carmageddon’ on auto-free Market Street: study shows bikes and buses benefit

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Market St. has never been a significant thoroughfare for private cars. Of course there’s no traffic impact.

Try the same thing on Mission, Howard, Folsom, Harrison, Geary, Van Ness, etc. and you’ll see a very different story.

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