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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by maybe-not-in-ux »

retiredalien wrote: post #23
dvh wrote: post #6

Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

This is a great theory and I’ve shared it with a few people in the past (since you posted it before). But it ignores the last 40-years and beyond. For example, the people mentioned in the article are linked to debunked CIA research, and there were specific events that happened at CIA in the 1980s in regards to the USAF that make this topic infinitely more complex.

Like what?

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by retiredalien »

maybe-not-in-ux wrote: post #91
retiredalien wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a great theory and I’ve shared it with a few people in the past (since you posted it before). But it ignores the last 40-years and beyond. For example, the people mentioned in the article are linked to debunked CIA research, and there were specific events that happened at CIA in the 1980s in regards to the USAF that make this topic infinitely more complex.

Like what?

At 1:08:35 and 1:11:10, these pseudo-anonymous people appeared on UFO: Cover-Up Live (1988) which I think was on NBC-

https://youtu.be/5CzZyrGolAg

These individuals were affiliated with Col. Hennessy, Col. Weaver and the AFOSI. One of the Colonels attended a meeting at CIA after the broadcast. And KG from the OP was there too.

It’s hard to know but I believe the Air Force was exploiting this private group that was leaking disinformation to these people, although the AFOSI also lied to people telling them UFOs were real. One of those individuals worked for TTSA’s Chief Scientist, who is also mentioned in the article.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by jml7c5 »

tgflynn wrote: post #74
jml7c5 wrote: post #72

I'm disappointed by this article. There is an amazing story here, and the author missed it: a collection of UFO believers and pseudoscientific quacks manage to get $26 million in funding from the US government. They produce mostly nonsense, yet somehow the project runs for years. The author collected all the pieces to tell the story, but wrote yet another "well, I'll let you decide, but it seems there's something to…

Yeah, one possible explanation for a lot of this is that the US military has been scammed by a bunch of quacks and they lack personnel with sufficient scientific competence to evaluate what they are being sold. I don't see how it could explain the 2004 Nimitz incident though.

The they're-a-bunch-of-quacks story doesn't have to explain the Nimitz incident. They were given footage and reports of the incident, but the existence or nonexistence of the event is independent of them.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by wolfspider »

cairo_x wrote: post #26

What's the deal with Skinwalker ranch? Why are they interested in it? Everything is so vague and x-filesy when people mention the ranch. Very woo woo without any actual details about what people have encountered there. What is the specific link between the ranch and UFOs?

The reason they are interested in it is the accidents which have supposedly occurred there or what I reckon is the UAP and biological tissue stuff mentioned in the article. Somebody was digging a hole in the ground and got zapped by something is what I read elsewhere. They have also reported sightings of orbs flying around that zapped a dog. The explanation as to what it has to do with everything is that the equipment picks up similar energy signatures all around this place to the UFOs and there are sightings of those as well. Honestly don’t know what to think TBH but certainly not going to say I’m sold on all of this. I’ve seen plenty of weird things myself. I once saw some guy going 30 mph on a unicycle through Georgetown in D.C. and it was incredible the amount of skepticism there was just trying to convince my friends standing nearby it actually happened until they saw him later going over a bridge. They were all certain it was not physically possible. I find it humorous the pentagon got worried that forces of precognitive evil might spread into the government yet on a day to day level we’re more worried about Facebook? We are sooo not ready to deal with any of this objectively if there is any truth to it.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by retiredalien »

tgflynn wrote: post #39
retiredalien wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes Kit. I don’t have a source to share. It occurred at Col. John Alexander’s home though, so one could potentially ask him.

Then do you know why he did that ? I don't know much about Kit Green but the image he appears to be trying to project is that of a serious, though open-minded, researcher. Trying to sell someone a device to communicate with the dead doesn't seem to fit with that.

I think he realized he was lied to by high-level people and has succumbed to the reality that all this is deception.

But here he is in 2017 talking to Kay Randall-May, his ‘best psychic’ about research at Stanford where she claim she communicates with “the Others”. Research at Nolan Lab -

https://soundcloud.com/project333/connectivities-that-you-ge...

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by 2rsf »

rafaelvasco wrote: post #18

I personally have no reason to negate the existence of aliens or UFOs. I've read a lot of testimonies about encounters and everything, and they mostly add up with one another. The problem is that this theme is such that there's lots of passionate people out there, and as such, there's lots of fabricated stuff too. One must be diligent when researching about this stuff, but the evidence is really strong;

> I personally have no reason to negate the existence of aliens or UFOs. I've read a lot of testimonies about encounters and everything, and they mostly add up with one another.

The two parts of the sentence doesn't necessarily adds up, I too think that life on other planets exists (or existed or will exist), but that doesn't necessarily mean that alien vehicles are poking us and a global conspiracy to hide their existence.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by [deleted] »

canuk83 wrote: post #25
retiredalien wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes Kit. I don’t have a source to share. It occurred at Col. John Alexander’s home though, so one could potentially ask him.

Can you please share what you mean regarding the link between consciousness and kindness? Was that just offhand romantic musing or is it a reflection of something you've learned? I'd be grateful to understand more about what you mean by that.

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Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by s8923 »

tqkxzugoaupvwqr wrote: post #89
coleifer wrote: post #43

At risk of inviting ridicule, I went through a phase where I read everything I could find on the subject of UFOs. Jacques Vallee stands out as one of the most sober and interesting researchers on the topic. Some cases that I think are worth checking out: * Colares, Brazil * JAL 1628 * O'Hare airport * Green fireballs, Los Alamos * Black triangles in belgium * Solyut golden sphere (maybe soyuz, I don't recall) * Gordo…

Regarding black triangles: My parents told me many years ago how one warm evening they sat outside and looked at the sky. At a very low altitude (less than 50 m) a large, black, triangle-shaped object flew slowly over them without making any noise. This happened in Germany.

When was this? My uncle used to live in Germany many many years ago, and he told me a similar story when I was a kid. He apparently saw large black object, flying very low and absolutely silent.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by newnewpdro »

foldingmoney wrote: post #19
dvh wrote: post #6

Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

>Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. The issue I have with this line of reasoning is that if the US military actually possesses technology that's vastly ahead of anything official, then that implies that about 99.9% of the US military bu…

> then that implies that about 99.9% of the US military budget -- and the entire known fleet -- is essentially a massive disinformation campaign

Except that's not how the world works.

We have peace for as long as there's a balance of powers in this MAD nuclear stalemate we find ourselves in.

If you've got secret goodies in the shed that completely disrupt the balance, you don't realize them until it's absolutely necessary. It's not a massive disinformation campaign, it's about operating at scale on a level appropriate for the circumstances.

China and Russia have been doing a lot of saber rattling and projecting new technologies that threaten to disrupt the balance, so I don't think it's too surprising that the US is responding with escalating propaganda of its own.

The big question is are these UFOs demonstrating real capabilities or is it just fabricated FUD propaganda.

We'll always have something better in the shed, otherwise we're obsolete.

Re: An investigation of the Pentagon's UFO program

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Post by dntbnmpls »

dvh wrote: post #6

Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. Then when it was ready for test they flew it secretly before their own pilots and waited for reports. And waited. And waited some more. Silence. They disabled stealth, added flashlights, nothing. Milit…

Interesting theory and I suppose it's possible but unlikely.

> We have hundreds and thousands of eyes in the sky but they will not report because they are afraid to speak.

This isn't true. Pilots report UFOs all the time.

> In past decades whenever military pilot reported UFO they were laughed at, sent to psychologist, evaluated, sent behind the desk.

If true, this would only be true for UFOs that acted beyond the scope of modern technology ( aka "alien" ufos ). Not for normals UFOs that are simply unidentified flying objects.

> Goal is to encourage pilots to report possible Chinese drones.

Pilots were already encouraged to report chinese or any other drones. Not only that drones can be detected by drone-targeting radar.

I know we are in a trade war and everyone has to push anti-chinese propaganda, but not everything is tied to "china". Before long every top comment is going to be nonsense with "china" in it.

My guess is that after the "state" has come under attack recently and people have lost trust in the "state", the "state" is releasing information to seem more transparent and open and likeable. Sort of like how the CIA, FBI, etc are putting people all over media/social media.

"Former CIA Chief of Disguise Breaks Down 30 Spy Scenes From Film & TV "

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUqeBMP8nEg

"Former FBI Agent Explains How to Read Body Language | Tradecraft | WIRED"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jwUXV4QaTw

The past few years have been relentless "china bad", "russia bad" and "we good" for understandable reasons. But who really knows. It could be anything.

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