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Time and time we are proven again and again that Facebook has become the emblem of how far technology can go to support pure malicious intention with widespread support.
It's disappointing, although not surprising, to know where HN's allegiences lie in this particular fight.
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The issue is not advertising, but "to aggregate user interests and track people on the internet". While advertising is not illegal under the GDPR, collecting an individual's data for marketing or advertising purposes without a "basis" (as defined in the GDPR) is. The plaintiff is arguing about data privacy, whereas Facebook's lawyer is playing the advertising card as a counter. The plaintiff is unhappy about the way…
If they lose this case, do you think it would it leave Facebook a liability for no longer being able to fulfill that contract? I.e. you can’t share my data, now where are my personalized ads that you promised?
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“The alternative to indentured servitude is free labor, which already exists. If people preferred free labor to indentured service, no one would sign a service contract, but they do.” -paraphrasing someone 300 years ago, probably. Sometimes people pick things that are bad; that people choose something doesn’t make it somehow good.
Pretty extreme to compare FaceBook to indentured servitude, everyone is free to leave FaceBook at any time and we know up front what their model is.
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we could switch to VK. try it, it's fast, and has a ton of pirated movies.
Yeah, and a comrade major from the FSB has easy and unlimited access to all your conversations and data A vast majority of political prosecutions for online extremism in Russia were carried out using info that VK subserviently provided to police and special services.
As for access, i assume there are server farms on quite a few countries looking for all kinds of patterns in chats. Until E2E encryption becomes extensively spread, it 's a joke to pretend there 's some kind of user privacy
Under article 7 GDPR [1], consent has to be given freely . Unless Facebook offered an option to opt-out of this contract, use of the Facebook service was tied to the agreement, which means it probably won't hold up. It's great that this is happening in front of an Austrian court, because the Austrian Data Protection Agency already has ruled on consent issues, and in those rulings was (IMO) extremely strict on when co…
The trick is that the legal ground is not based on consent but on performance of a contract, in which case consent, freely given or not, is not required at all.
A contract also needs consent. This contract is clearly entered only because Facebook is making it a condition of using the service, and this type of coupling is prohibited.
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IMO, ads should be made illegal, but that's not the point here. Facebook is perfectly free to show ads to people, they are just not free to track people. They are trying to use ads as a justification for tracking here, which is the contested point. And before you answer that ads without tracking don't pay the bills, that's honestly Facebook's problem.
Every time I start thinking about ads being made illegal, I think about the small businesses who don't already have their brand established. Banning advertising entirely would crush many entrpreneurs for whom advertising is the only reason anyone knows who they are. There's a big difference between massive companies seeking to keep their brand in your mind and small businesses trying to let you know they even exist.…
If consumers knew the perfect good or service that they wanted to buy and exactly whom to buy it from, there wouldn't be a need for advertising. As it is now, information asymmetry creates a demand for advertising, so until people know everything about every market, you're going to have ads.
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I don't think that's enforceable. You'd need some kind of soul extracting machine, or a soul-over-IP transfer mechanism. Maybe a soul mail-in option. You'd also need to implement some kind of soul storage warehouse. What would you do with all those souls anyway?
The technical feasibility of soul extraction and storage isn't really the problem. It's the act of selling it that's the problem. I mean, we don't 'extract' and 'store' land/real estate, but we do buy and sell it. You can have a claim to land and not need to move it to your warehouse. Just a title/deed system for souls would suffice. Since there's not a legal framework around the ownership of souls, I'm sure we could…
Time and time we are proven again and again that Facebook has become the emblem of how far technology can go to support pure malicious intention with widespread support.
This thread was removed from the front page of HN real fast, as in—one second it's at the top of the site, the next minute it's gone. Despite being very, very relevant news and lots of discussion going on. It's disappointing, although not surprising, to know where HN's allegiences lie in this particular fight.
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Just replace "ads" with "personalized ads" in the parent FB is free because they can pay for it with personalized ads. I doubt generic ads would fund the site as it stands today.
If generic ads can't fund FB, that's FB's problem. FB does not have some sort of right-to-exist. Beyond that, if FB goes out of business completely, the world is arguably improved.
I haven't used FB in years, but even I know that if FB didn't exist that another service would fill the gap in the market. The problem is FB plays fast and loose with privacy and security, which should be the focus of criticism for FB, since that negatively affects users. If FB didn't exist, you still run the risk of another player making the exact same mistakes.
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> Who won? Whichever European social network replaces them. Facebook is a freak social network considering how long it has survived. People used to migrate every one to two years.
> Whichever European social network replaces them. GDPR makes it very difficult to touch user's private data for commercial purposes. that's the whole business of a SN so this is kind of precluded
If we start from scratch without all that it would be possible to make a profitable social network for a couple of bucks per month per user (or a tiered system, so heavy users or “influencers” would pay more while the base tier remains free).