Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video] • Hacker News Board

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#91

Post by claudeganon » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:50 PM UTC

shapiro1 wrote: post #85

claudeganon wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really depends. Go listen and to his interview with Adam Connover where he uses him as a foil to spout off a lot of nonsense about trans people and their agency.

What is his “nonsense”? It’s reasonable to not allow people to cross their biological gender league. He’s seen how biological males have absolutely destroyed in biological female leagues.

He kept repeating that trans women were “confused gay men” on the basis of one very shoddy Swedish research paper, as if that was somehow authoritative.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#92

Post by cyborgx7 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:51 PM UTC

_zamorano_ wrote: post #3

It's not strange many interesting people want to visit Joe Rogan podcast. First, he is willing to give a voice to many who won't be able to tell their stories on mass media. Who other will let speak people like James Damore? What major broadcaster is willing to interview Jordan Peterson without protraiting him as a villain? He respects his guest, when in disagrement. His interview to Jack Dorsey (not much of his liki…

I question the value of letting people like James Damore and Jordan Peterson speak on such a big platform.

Edit: The people downvoting me are hypocrites. The function of downvoting to make something less visible. Are you saying what I say has less value and should therefore have a lesser platform?

But to be serious, everyone acknowledges that what some people say is of more value than what other people say, and should be seen by more people. We just disagree on what the things that have value are. And your insistence on arguing about the former, rather than the latter is tiresome and dishonest.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#93

Post by gurkendoktor » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:52 PM UTC

senorjazz wrote: post #44

andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

> I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, Then you cannot listen to many. Joe speaks so much bollox with an authoritative air that if you didn't know the subject you would think that Joe did, when many many times he clearly does not. I agree they are interesting when he lets the guest speak (even if completely disagree with them) or it is on something Joe does know about / has researched. But that is f…

I thought the episode with James Damore was a good example of Joe ruining what could have become an interesting interview: lack of direction, ranting, pushing James towards particular statements. But I don't mind his show being hit or miss, given the sheer number of episodes.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#94

Post by damog » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:52 PM UTC

lawrenceg wrote: post #90

Someone made a comment that Joe Rogan is the dumb man's celebrity smart guy. I tend to agree, but I do enjoy some of his podcasts.

And if you do, and he is smart guy for you, that makes you a dumb man. Not a disrespect in anyway but that should humble everybody on the sense that nobody can know everything in depth, even when bragging about their own “unmatched wisdom”.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#95

Post by nradov » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:52 PM UTC

azangru wrote: post #31

monk_e_boy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interviewing Nick Bostrom was cringe worthy. I don't know what Joe was trying to achieve - maybe forming an argument against the simulation theory? But it was so bad. The youtube comment section is amusing. But mostly Joe gets it spot on and does a great interview. What this does to popular discourse? When a small % of the population watch these types of long form interview and get deep, thoughtful and insightful ans…

> How does society fix this huge knowledge divide? - Why should it? - Isnt the divide inevitable anyway (X knows about Shakespeare, Y knows about quantum theory, Z knows how to grow corn...)

Just a few hundred years ago it was actually possible for a single person to learn essentially everything that was known in Western civilization. And some wealthy people with a lot of leisure time pretty much did that. So now we still see it as a goal to strive for even though it's no longer achievable.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#96

Post by Timpy » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:55 PM UTC

Snowden is really clever with these interviews. Right away in the interview he establishes his concerns about the government, then briefly mentions the government smear campaign against him without hanging on the point too much. He calmly explains himself in an articulate way, establishing himself as perfectly sane. Then he reaches out to connect and empathize with his interviewer:

> When I hear you just speak, I go "actually this is a thoughtful guy."

When he validates Joe, he validates Joe's audience, and it becomes Snowden's audience. He did this with Trevor Noah too; I think he's intentional about it while very cleverly appearing not to be. It's a good thing Snowden is the one who blew that whistle, and not somebody less calculating.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#97

Post by jumpman500 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:56 PM UTC

senorjazz wrote: post #44

andrew_ wrote: post #13

His podcasts are infinitely better than any amount of talking-head punditry available on the major news networks. I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, patient, and interesting - even if I didn't agree with conclusions being made or the thought processes expressing them.

> I've not run across one yet that wasn't well-reasoned, Then you cannot listen to many. Joe speaks so much bollox with an authoritative air that if you didn't know the subject you would think that Joe did, when many many times he clearly does not. I agree they are interesting when he lets the guest speak (even if completely disagree with them) or it is on something Joe does know about / has researched. But that is f…

I think you’re right. But... Joe Rogan often claims he’s not a genius, and not an expert in many topics. I also feel his fan community strongly understands this. There are a lot of YouTube videos making fun of his mannerisms and when he might be too high on an interview.

To me this is as good as it gets for a talk show that has a wide ranging set of topics like the JRE. Joe Rogan isn’t an expert and doesn’t pretend to be unbiased on all issues. His community, I think, understands his limitations. He just runs a good conversation, and that’s all I want to hear.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#98

Post by raihansaputra » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:57 PM UTC

sdan wrote: post #11

ekianjo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For 2 its not like he had a choice to do it in person...

Right. Only other scenario that would work is for Joe to fly over there... which probably wouldn't happen. Regardless, Joe's getting so many good interviews in the past two years.

John Oliver from Last Week Tonight did fly over to interview Edward Snowden[0]. But considering the worries their team went through, it's fair others decide to not do it.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#99

Post by claudeganon » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:57 PM UTC

johnmorrison wrote: post #52

claudeganon wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why anyone would listen to anything with a bigot like Crowder is beyond me. If you can’t defend your conservatism without devolving into racist and homophobic slurs, you really shouldn’t be taken seriously.

I find it's useful to listen to those you have strong ethical disagreements with, in order to challenge your own ego and ideas.

Sorry, but I’ve lived enough of my adult life to know that I can tune out people who do mocking imitations of queer people on YouTube and be intellectually just fine.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

#100

Post by dx87 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 12:58 PM UTC

Miner49er wrote: post #77

heyflyguy wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Love - revealed to us that our constitutional rights were being absolutely trampled to death. Hate - revealed to the world endless amounts of national security data that was not directly relevant to these constitutional encroachments.

> Hate - revealed to the world endless amounts of national security data that was not directly relevant to these constitutional encroachments. He worked with journalists in order to avoid this. He gave the government a head's up before the press released anything everytime they released something new. What more do you think he should have done?

If he really wanted to be treated as a whistleblower, he should have only leaked the specific things that he took issue with, not grab anything he could get his hands on and give it out. For example, there's no good reason for him to give documents to China that tell them which Chinese computers NSA has access to [0]. This myth that he responsibly leaked information needs to die.

[0] https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1260306/edward-s...