It's called the Dunning–Kruger effect.
Yes, as mentioned by the linked article. Which was written by David Dunning.
We Are All Confident Idiots (2014)
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#92How do you work with an individual who _insists_ they understand how it all works? Even when faced with hard evidence that contradicts their assessments, I'm still told I don't understand or I misinterpreted their words - basically gas-lighting me. Arguing leaves me unmotivated and frustrated. Giving in is the wrong path. Going to others doesn't seem to move the needle. Help.
Have you tried sarcasm? Works a treat. Little by little, undermine them by agreeing but disagreeing with subtle sarcasm until they doubt themselves. Works, but don't become an asshole yourself.
> Little by little, undermine them by agreeing but disagreeing with subtle sarcasm until they doubt themselves.
This tactic is more toxic then ego itself.
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#93Our school system.. We don't dare to be honest we do not know stuff. For our entire youth we are punished for that with bad figures and bullying. Therefore the picture at the top of the article is so fitting. Especially lots of people that are graduated have some kind of air around them. Our educational system fucks the mind and ego. Is Einstein not enough prove for the 'being educated' fallacy? He despised the educa…
But tbh our school system just teaches a baseline of abilities we think our youths should know. I honestly don't believe pupils are expected to know everything besides what was agreed on...
> But tbh our school system just teaches a baseline of abilities we think our youths should know.
Just teaches? You mean forces upon children maybe? So what about being punished for not reaching that baseline? What do we learn from that? We learn so much more than the stuff in the textbooks. Our schools and surroundings teach us to be stupid about so many things, it's completely overlooked.
If the result of schools were to be good, how come this civilization is characterized by: war, pollution, destruction of species, poverty, etc, etc.. Something must be wrong there, it must be our education not coincidence.
> a baseline of abilities we think our youths should know.
Yes interesting. What 'we' think.. I think differently, for sure.
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#94Interestingly those who tend to be more realistic in their self expectations are more prone to depression. False confidence may be the route to happiness or at least optimism.
>those who tend to be more realistic in their self expectations are more prone to depression. No, depression comes when you are only applying logic to life and essentially seeing that there is no meaning to it. Logic can not live without meaning, but life is tremendously bigger that our limited logic, regardless how fanciful we make it. >False confidence may be the route to happiness or at least optimism. No, this co…
Given the articles subject, I’d like to clarify...
Are you an authority or somehow involved in research on depression? Or are you simply feigning knowledge on a subject you know little or nothing about?
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Document, and shut up. Document every time they say something false - time and date and medium, and exact words. Shut up: for each instance, say once that they're wrong, then don't argue. When it matters, when there's a decision where this person's view is threatening to sway matters in the wrong direction, go with a massive documentation dump - everything they've said on the subject, exact words and date and time an…
> Document, and shut up. > Document every time they say something false - time and date and medium, and exact words. Facts don't matter.
Right? Isn’t this a basic premise of the article?
The person will resist the documented facts because they don’t align with their deeply held beliefs.
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Hey, I built a 40 year career on 'fake it until you have to leave or learn how to make it' -So don't knock this This comments illustrates the article, which has nothing to do with "fake it till you make it", and is all about how people often think they know something, when, in fact, they have little knowledge on the subject (in this case, the subject being the article in question). To clarify: "fake it till you make…
I don't think 'fake it till you make it' is as simple as that. The whole thing about imposter syndrome is that plenty of fully competent people 'know' they are incompetent (and conversely plenty of incompetent ones 'know' that they are the most valuable employee in the company.) Therefore, 'fake it till you make it' isn't directly about basically being a fraud, it's about presenting yourself as the competent professi…
Well, what about the rockstar junior devs who whipped fully functional applications who are later humbled with experiences and cringes at their previously ego-maniacally written code? I was one, and I wouldn't say I was aware of my mistakes, I definitely believed my code was superior (early 20s at the time)
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#97Interestingly those who tend to be more realistic in their self expectations are more prone to depression. False confidence may be the route to happiness or at least optimism.
> False confidence may be the route to happiness or at least optimism.
For many indeed this leads to some kind of 'happiness'. Buffering our inabilities with lying to ourselves about it. Why did we never learn to be truly happy while being average or even below average. Why did we never learn to tame the ego? It's a curse for life.
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#98According to the Gita, there is a fundamental difference between “real” ego and what it defines as the “false” ego. Real ego is our very essence, the consciousness that makes us aware and awake to reality. The false ego is a false identity crafted to preserve the sense of being the most significant and the most important all the time. In short, it is a narcissistic search for being loved, validated and appreciated. This is what we generally refer to as the ego. The Gita further describes the subtleties of the ego and how it manifests moment to moment in our thoughts, words and deeds.
The concept seems to be stretched too far when we first read about it. But when we honestly study our own lives, we can clearly isolate various episodes of how this tendency manifests itself in our personality, either covertly or explicitly. The events can range from simple conversations on which football team is the best to intense debates in boardrooms on the next important decision for the organization. What’s worse is that the ego blinds us from seeing its own ploy, the ultimate of which is rationalized excuses for avoiding honest introspection and admittance.
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#99We are all confident idiots and this is why the ego was created in evolution. Ego is needed to make you think you are better than others at something, eventhough initially you may not be. Without ego, people would be Marvin The Paranoid Android but depressed because we didn't have the capabilities or opportunities to compete with all the smarter people around or in history. People that are laser focused and don't lis…
> Without ego humanity may not have made it this far.
This far? You mean on the road to our complete extinction due to our incomparable stupidity? I sometimes feel truly ashamed to be a human. It's the ego that ruins it all, we could have been so much further. People should learn to be more humble and reject the desire for authority.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
>those who tend to be more realistic in their self expectations are more prone to depression. No, depression comes when you are only applying logic to life and essentially seeing that there is no meaning to it. Logic can not live without meaning, but life is tremendously bigger that our limited logic, regardless how fanciful we make it. >False confidence may be the route to happiness or at least optimism. No, this co…
Given the articles subject, I’d like to clarify... Are you an authority or somehow involved in research on depression? Or are you simply feigning knowledge on a subject you know little or nothing about?
I don't have anything to support what I'm saying nor I need to. My knowledge does not come from a billion dollar research, and it does not have to. The question is only are you looking for a solution or a solution proven by authorities of your choice.