Is it just me or does putting FACT CHECK above an article immediately make anyone else not want to click on that article?
Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained
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Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not just now? Anti-abortion has been a huge part of the Republican platform for a very long time, maybe at least the 60's? At least since Roe v Wade (1973). The reason is that there's a large swath of voters who only seem to care about abortion abolition, and will vote for anyone who pushes it, no matter what.
I mean it is a popular subject here on HN and I seen some articles on BBC this year, as I said I am not from US and this "anti-abortion laws" remind me of the communist regime here in Romania, so I was a bit shocked to see this topic debates in US (it was not visible for US outside) .
Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained
#93I'm seeing a couple of comments on here to the effect of, "what did you expect when you started asking companies to screen/moderate content?" This is not a good example of screening being impossible to do, or being too subjective to nail down. Facebook moderated the video on largely neutral terms; not asserting that abortion was right or wrong, just that the claims the video made were scientifically false. It should…
No, for me it's that what constitutes "neutrality" shifts with the powers that be, and in this case it shifted quickly; because abortion is an issue that facebook doesn't care about, it was willing to go with a scientific consensus, but when a politically powerful person insisted that the scientific consensus wasn't "neutral" it abandoned it.
We're watching the process of moderation in real time, not watching the corruption of a process that has never existed: of neutrality creation that is entirely independent of power. The solution isn't that Facebook isn't cleaving the the standards you hold to be objective enough. That's just kicking the can down the road. Get enough power to dominate Ted Cruz, and you can get him to delete the video yourself.
edit: I'm not against Facebook moderating their platform, but they should have all of the editorial responsibilities and liabilities that come with that. Which, instead of this process happening informally, puts it into the justice system where standards can be publicly agreed upon.
Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained
#94ASK HN: We really need a politics tab at the top of hackernews. Can we make that happen?
Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Going" downhill? https://www.vox.com/2015/12/1/9827886/abortion-clinic-attack... "Since 1977 there have been eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 42 bombings, and 186 arsons targeted at abortion clinics and providers across the United States. In some cases, a small group of clinics have been targeted multiple times."
Your inflammatory pseudo-counter-argument doesn't change the fact that abortion in cases of non-life-threatening births remains morally problematic. The personhood debate is nontrivial and unless, like e.g., Peter Singer, you're willing to (excuse the pun) throw the baby out with the bathwater, justification for mid-to-late-term abortions is quite difficult and rife with edge cases.
Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, because it's BS. Five seconds on Google: https://www.lemonde.fr/cinema/article/2017/11/15/l-ecole-de-...
There was one particular example, intended to encourage pregnant women to allow their Downs-syndrome babies to be born, that was disallowed by the group that determines what may be shown on French television. So not illegal, but the effect was similar, at least in that case.
"France requires political ad to include disclosures" is, of course, slightly less punchy as a news item.
Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most (many?) leftists don't support banning guns by the way. At the very least it's widely debated on the left. The term you're looking for is "liberal" or Democrat.
I thought US lefts = US liberals == US Democrats?
In more detail, “liberal” in US politics has a lot of conflicting uses and is almost a useless term. The US Democratic Party is dominated (though somewhat less so today than a few years ago) by a neoliberal, centrist (arguably center-right) pro-capitalist faction, which tends to also be where the most consistent support for gun control in the Democratic Party, or mainstream US politics more generally, is.
It’s next biggest faction (the closest mainstream US politics has to a “left”) is a center-left social democratic faction (some of which self-identifies as democratic socialist); this faction has a mix of people who are less supportive of gun control than than the neoliberal faction of the party, and those that favor more extreme gun control, and everywhere in between.
The actual American left, which is largely outside of the major parties, is also quite mixed on gun control.
Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most (many?) leftists don't support banning guns by the way. At the very least it's widely debated on the left. The term you're looking for is "liberal" or Democrat.
I thought US lefts = US liberals == US Democrats?
Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know why that expression is being taken literally. Obviously if you make terroristic threats to the US government you're going to be in trouble no matter where you post. Obviously the context is given by the original submission. The point is that the attitude I was responding to is extremely entitled. You're not entitled to use Facebook. You're not entitled to post about abortion without a fact check from Fac…
Facebook may be a private company but it doesn't absolve them from criticism due to the size of their userbase and influence on society. Antitrust law may also apply since they control Instagram and Whatsapp as well. Sure, you can post on your website (that nobody would discover), or Gab (which is blocked in Apple and Android stores), or 8chan (which is down)...but for better or worse people still use Facebook so peo…
Suggesting legal measures against Facebook, "perhaps we need not only a separation of church and state, but also of tech and state", is entirely different and completely unwarranted on the basis of them "regulating (or interfering with) speech" as seen in the submission.
I'm not a user of Gab and unfamiliar with their apps, but I assume it can be accessed through a standard web browser (Safari, Google Chrome).
Re: Facebook removed a fact-check on anti-abortion video after Ted Cruz complained
#100ASK HN: We really need a politics tab at the top of hackernews. Can we make that happen?