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A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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post #79

However you look at this the take away from it all should be: Get a vape and liquid from a large reputable supplier (keep receipts) and should we suddenly find that this is the next product to have warning and danger signs slapped all over due to health concerns, you have a large reputable supplier you can sue, ala the original tobacco scandals.

Or - don’t smoke?

Exactly, but for those that do pursue such activities, that would be the prudent approach. Though I wouldn't count it as a pension plan as some may well do :/. Though if you ever do get a pension annuity plan, apparently smoking whilst you fill out the form and filling in that aspect, does get you more money and one of those area's that could be classed as gaming the system. Why that is - well, they expect you to die sooner, hence you get a better rate compared to somebody who their actuaries expect to live say 20 years longer and curtail paying out more over a longer period. Also one of those exceptions in which bad health, or perceived bad health works in your favour.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

#92
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are also “coils” that vibrate to create vapour which happens at room temperature.

This is interesting. Do you know what this technology is called? I also wonder whether it's more efficient in terms of battery use.

>Do you know what this technology is called?

Ultrasonic atomization. It's used widely in manufacturing for applying thin-film coatings, because it provides a very consistent and controllable spray of very fine droplets. The technology has been applied to vaping by Usonicig, but it's not hugely popular - most people prefer warm vapour.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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post #31

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Similar story here. Smoked for ten years. Actually found it easy to replace smoking with vaping (strong menthol). Stopped vaping after 1 year because I was suffering from GERD and suspected that vaping was an attributing factor. Since I stopped 5 years ago, my GERD symptoms have more or less disappeared. I really enjoyed vaping, probably more than smoking, but somehow it did not seem to have the same addictive effect…

> somehow it did not seem to have the same addictive effect on me as smoking had Nicotine by itself isn't much addictive until mixed with stuff called MAOIs. Here's an earlier post of mine that gives a bit more detail https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20536162

Snus addicts in Sweden seem to counteract the idea that MAOIs have such a big role.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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post #5

> As the mechanism is unknown, it’s unclear what the actual danger is. Is it some byproduct of the nicotine cartidges, or THC ones? Is it the vapor itself? Is it only at certain temperatures or concentrations? Is it directly affecting the lungs or entering the bloodstream? No one knows yet — all they’ve seen is an sudden uptick in respiratory or pulmonary issues where the sufferer also uses vaping products. We've see…

Another vector of harm to consider — Keep in mind that “vapor” is used to disguise that, in all cases whether nicotine or pot or etc, people are heating up a substance to its smoke point and inhaling that smoke. They use “vapor” because it sounds like “water vapor” - which is harmless - but it’s definitely not that. Marijuana cartridges use marijuana oil or MCT oil as a base, for example. Nicotine uses glycol or othe…

This comment is blatantly false within the first few sentences

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

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So I've been saying something like this for years now. HOW do we know something is not going wrong without any long term/clinical data (ESPECIALLY around these custom flavours that people sometimes roll out themselves)? I think it's completely presumptuous when people tout vaping as being much safer than cigarettes. We didn't all wake up one day knowing smoking was bad - it was a long road filled with politics, scien…

We have to weight a complex set of circumstances: - smoking is an exceptionally harmful habit, so just by coming up with any other activity at random one is likely to end up healthier - this also means advising smokers to switch to vaping even without knowing the health effects of vaping makes sense - marketing vaping to non-smokers should be severely limited though - marketing vaping to kids like juul does, should b…

> marketing vaping to kids like juul does

do/did they actually do this? I did a quick Google search and I can find a lot of articles making this claim but the only evidence given is that they have twenty-somethings and bright colors in their ads. if this is "marketing to kids", then that bar seems awfully low.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

#96
I smoked cigarettes for about 25 years and switched to vaping about 5 years ago. My anecdata is it's the flavorings which are most harmful. I had a pretty consistent cough from cigarettes which got a little better after switching to vapes, but it really depended on the flavor. Some flavors were much more harsh and the cough would return. It didn't go away until I switched to completely unflavored juice.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

#97
post #23

It's waaaaaaaayyyyy early to blame this on "vape lung". Always be skeptical of people who have an agenda to eliminate something.

The fact that the CDC is involved means this is beyond a simple agenda. There is something going on. It may even turn out to be unrelated to vaping. However, incidents like these are why the CDC exists.

I thought based on tv and movies that it was to spark a zombie apocalypse

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

#98

I'm guessing that if this really is associated with vaping then it's likely due to the limited regulation of the ingredients. Bad batch of VG/PG/nicotine? Some problematic flavouring? I think the best article I've found is at the BMJ: https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5228 - sorry, paywall. Very much inconslusive at the moment completely in the public health triage stage. Good idea to regulate it properly. I just…

I read about this a few days ago before deaths. All of the cases at that point involved THC.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

#99

I'm guessing that if this really is associated with vaping then it's likely due to the limited regulation of the ingredients. Bad batch of VG/PG/nicotine? Some problematic flavouring? I think the best article I've found is at the BMJ: https://www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l5228 - sorry, paywall. Very much inconslusive at the moment completely in the public health triage stage. Good idea to regulate it properly. I just…

This article has a sentence touching on it, but other sources that almost all these cases of vaping related hospitalizations are from vaping THC, so the sourcing/manufacturing of the product is highly suspect. Who knows what drug dealers are using.

Re: A person has died from a vaping-related condition

#100
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a vape guy, but as far as I'm aware no combustion reaction is occurring, essentially it's boiling the substance at a far lower temperature than it would burn. Now, whether glycol and such are good things to inhale is another question but I haven't seen any studies pointing to significant issues with these directly, so I'm hesitant to jump the the conclusion suggested here.

The conclusion is “we should consider whether propylene glycol inhalation can lead to disorders”, not “we know whether it does”.

Propylene glycol has been used in asthma inhalers and nebulizers since the 1950s.

So, probably safe...

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