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Re: Apple: No Macintosh Forks. But the iPad...

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I have realised a long ago that Apple has for a long time now been working towards steering the Macintosh way from its open, Unix-based foundation. I used to work with the old MacOS, long before OSX, and it was just the way they wanted it: a closed platform with a nice (for the time) user interface and giving Apple full control over what is being developed on it and how. Dropping this platform for NeXTSTEP-based OS X…

Which we’re going to see how that sits with antitrust law pretty soon.

Re: Apple: No Macintosh Forks. But the iPad...

#92
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My take on the iPad form-factor hasn't really changed since the introduction. Its really great for certain casual use cases, but as soon as you sit down at a desk to get some work done, oh god does this fucking suck. And the keyboard cases actually make it worse because you delude yourself into thinking it makes it better, when it does not. So an iOS/iPadOS laptop with full KVM support always seemed like a no-brainer…

I love my iPad with the keyboard case. When I hook it up to an external monitor and my Kinesis keyboard, it’s even better. I’m looking forward to mouse support in iOS 13. One of my favorite apps when it comes to the keyboard is Blink. It’s an SSH/Mosh client with a limited local shell. I use it to build a Jekyll site on an EC2 instance. Blink supports multi-monitor, so I can have different shells on different screens…

You literally just described a really shitty laptop from like 1995. Woah guys my PC is so cool and I love it! I can plug in another monitor and soon it will support a mouse . Have you ever tried a real computer, saying an iPad is more useful than anything else is just wrong.

Re: Apple: No Macintosh Forks. But the iPad...

#93

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I love my iPad with the keyboard case. When I hook it up to an external monitor and my Kinesis keyboard, it’s even better. I’m looking forward to mouse support in iOS 13. One of my favorite apps when it comes to the keyboard is Blink. It’s an SSH/Mosh client with a limited local shell. I use it to build a Jekyll site on an EC2 instance. Blink supports multi-monitor, so I can have different shells on different screens…

You literally just described a really shitty laptop from like 1995. Woah guys my PC is so cool and I love it! I can plug in another monitor and soon it will support a mouse . Have you ever tried a real computer, saying an iPad is more useful than anything else is just wrong.

What "really shitty laptop from like 2002" had the weight, the display, the battery lifetime, ... of an iPad Pro?

Re: Apple: No Macintosh Forks. But the iPad...

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Frankly I’m surprised no one hasn’t built an external core/ram expansion docking station yet. With OS support for Numa and a broker to schedule tasks on Big/Little cores all the pieces are there. My guess is the halo effect around the cloud that put these devices back into the drawers; when you can sync files across two conventional independent devices, risk aversion wins. But people might become aware and weary of r…

> Frankly I’m surprised no one hasn’t built an external core/ram expansion docking station yet I imagine that the distance and all the connectivity required between the CPU and RAM sitting in an external docking station would destroy performance.

How would this be much different to a GPU running over the PCIE bus?

Re: Apple: No Macintosh Forks. But the iPad...

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You literally just described a really shitty laptop from like 1995. Woah guys my PC is so cool and I love it! I can plug in another monitor and soon it will support a mouse . Have you ever tried a real computer, saying an iPad is more useful than anything else is just wrong.

What "really shitty laptop from like 2002" had the weight, the display, the battery lifetime, ... of an iPad Pro?

Sorry I had to edit my comment because I can't imagine a laptop from 2002 that doesn't support a mouse.

Re: Apple: No Macintosh Forks. But the iPad...

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What "really shitty laptop from like 2002" had the weight, the display, the battery lifetime, ... of an iPad Pro?

Sorry I had to edit my comment because I can't imagine a laptop from 2002 that doesn't support a mouse.

You continue to miss the point. The cool thing about the iPad is not that's a laptop. It's that it's a great device in it's own category, that also more and more can replace a laptop.

Re: Apple: No Macintosh Forks. But the iPad...

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Sorry I had to edit my comment because I can't imagine a laptop from 2002 that doesn't support a mouse.

You continue to miss the point. The cool thing about the iPad is not that's a laptop. It's that it's a great device in it's own category, that also more and more can replace a laptop.

I'll take all the downvotes in the world from insane people who must have some mental block that makes them think they can do "more" on an iPad than a laptop. If your idea of doing more is being so weak you would give up mouse support and a real OS to shave off 1 lb of something to carry, then yeah an iPad does way more. They make laptops with touchscreens and great battery life too, bro. Where is your God now? I bet you had no idea.

Re: Apple: No Macintosh Forks. But the iPad...

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Arguably, the necessity here would be energy consumption, thermal performance and potentially speed?

That's not really necessity unless you can show that the current values for those 3 are insufficient and that an Axx transition will produce big gains in at least 2 of those 3 areas, is it? Even if native apps compiled and written for the Axx architecture have better energy and thermal performance, what about all the x86 apps that have to be emulated? There'll be a tax for that. It could be worse. Intel-based macs ar…

I did say ‘arguably‘ ;)

> Even if native apps compiled and written for the Axx architecture have better energy and thermal performance, what about all the x86 apps that have to be emulated? There'll be a tax for that.

Initially, probably. Think of the long game. This is something they have already done, twice. They have the experience and expertise to make this less impactful.

> Even if native apps compiled and written for the Axx architecture have better energy and thermal performance, what about all the x86 apps that have to be emulated? There'll be a tax for that.

Longer battery life is always preferable in portable devices, no? Alternatively, what about the reduction in the need for the materials, therefore the environmental impact, used in making batteries for laptops? Apple want to be the greenest manufacturer.

Re: Apple: No Macintosh Forks. But the iPad...

#99

I have realised a long ago that Apple has for a long time now been working towards steering the Macintosh way from its open, Unix-based foundation. I used to work with the old MacOS, long before OSX, and it was just the way they wanted it: a closed platform with a nice (for the time) user interface and giving Apple full control over what is being developed on it and how. Dropping this platform for NeXTSTEP-based OS X…

Anyone could develop software for the Macintosh prior to the release of OS X. There were third-party tools to do so. You could extend the system software. You could distribute your software as you pleased. Depending upon how you look at it, it was actually more open than OS X development since modern releases of OS X lock certain things down in the name of security. Both are a far cry from iOS development.

Re: Apple: No Macintosh Forks. But the iPad...

#100

Such a bad analysis. Switching CPU architecture has been done before in the macos ecosystem. And it has been successful.

In those cases, the switched-to architecture could emulate the previous one with acceptable performance. For the hypothetical amd64 -> aarch64 transition, I'm unaware of the existence of software, silicon or the combination of the two which could emulate the former on the latter while staying in a reasonable power envelope.

Emulation is non-optional if one wants to avoid splitting the ecosystem.

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