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Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Re: Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Post by telltruth »

phaus wrote: post #67
telltruth wrote: post #49

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Thiel has switched his allegiance to New Zealand from USA so I don’t understand his talks of treason. He is founder of Plantir which has mission for spying on American citizens and using tech for military without any concerns to ethics whatsoever. This is a guy who bankrupted journalist news media because they dared to publish about him. I am not sure how far Thiel can go to establish himself as one true tech villain…

Peter Theil's actions are pretty questionable without your incredible attempts to paint gawker as anything besides a trashy, disingenuous tabloid. I've heard other parts of the company were decent but their bread and butter was the trashy stuff. He can still be wrong to have funded their destruction even if they suck too.

Pretty much every journalist outlet is trashy these days, even NYT. That’s not the point. The Gawker’s article on him was expose which he couldn’t stomach. This is the guy who paints himself as torch bearer of ultra-freedom and libertarian but harbors tendencies of Pharos that includes beefing up authorities with tech to control its citizens. His actions are much more than “questionable”.

Re: Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Post by qtplatypus »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #85
cameronbrown wrote: post #79

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Google+ was never hacked, but there was a dodgy API endpoint that let you view profile data set to private.

So it wasn’t hacked, it just had an exploitable end point, that was exploited?

It had an exploitable end point that wasn’t exploited and google shut down G+ rather then let it become exploited.

Re: Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Post by trickstra »

chabes wrote: post #77
mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #54

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How do you mean? Isn't encryption essentially building a wall around your data - about as defensive as it gets? Is your argument essentially "invaders can carry shields, therefore shields are a tool of attack"?

I’m not the person you asked, but I think they’re referring to ransomware

The "attack" part of any ransomware is how they were able to get to the point where they can execute arbitrary command on my computer. Because once that is achieved, all bets are off.

Re: Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Post by cameronbrown »

qtplatypus wrote: post #92
AmericanChopper wrote: post #85

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So it wasn’t hacked, it just had an exploitable end point, that was exploited?

It had an exploitable end point that wasn’t exploited and google shut down G+ rather then let it become exploited.

My theory is that it was less embarrassing than saying they failed so spectacularly. A shame really.

Re: Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Post by [deleted] »

mandelbrotwurst wrote: post #54
earthstabber wrote: post #33

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Strong encryption is used for offensive measures as well.

How do you mean? Isn't encryption essentially building a wall around your data - about as defensive as it gets? Is your argument essentially "invaders can carry shields, therefore shields are a tool of attack"?

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Post by traderjane »

phaus wrote: post #67
telltruth wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thiel has switched his allegiance to New Zealand from USA so I don’t understand his talks of treason. He is founder of Plantir which has mission for spying on American citizens and using tech for military without any concerns to ethics whatsoever. This is a guy who bankrupted journalist news media because they dared to publish about him. I am not sure how far Thiel can go to establish himself as one true tech villain…

Peter Theil's actions are pretty questionable without your incredible attempts to paint gawker as anything besides a trashy, disingenuous tabloid. I've heard other parts of the company were decent but their bread and butter was the trashy stuff. He can still be wrong to have funded their destruction even if they suck too.

Gawkers greatest offense was publishing the truth, not that they lied about Peter Thiel, or gossiped too much about...?

Re: Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Post by [deleted] »

remarkEon wrote: post #38
nemothekid wrote: post #11

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1. Almost every tech company has been acutely aware of China stealing IP for decades now. It's not a new point. 2. Where did Thiel make this point? Thiel does not make the point that the Chinese are stealing US IP. He makes the charged point that Google executives (and somehow not Facebook executives) are Chinese agents. To that claim, I don't think he "has a point". It's in very bad taste to me that Thiel would poin…

>when he sits on the board of the biggest troublemaker. Why is this some kind of detraction from his larger point? If he has a problem with how Facebook is being run - or has concerns with their implementation of AI - then of course he'd want to retain his seat. How else would he influence the company?

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Re: Thiel Urges U.S. Probe of Google's 'Seemingly Treasonous' Acts

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Post by [deleted] »

cscurmudgeon wrote: post #34
nemothekid wrote: post #24

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1. If negligence in this case means treason, there are several companies you can investigate then - it makes less sense to single out Google when Cisco has likely suffered more. Huawei was literally founded on stealing foreign technology and is allegedly built by Cisco engineers. 2. Rather than investigating if Google negligence is treason, would Thiel agree to charge Zuckerberg with treason due to the Cambridge Anal…

Thiel is definitely hypocritical. That alone does not make him wrong. (He may be right or wrong, I don't know).

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Post by [deleted] »

ehsankia wrote: post #66
logicchains wrote: post #53

Anyone who thinks Google executives are exfiltrating core IP to China clearly hasn't ever used Baidu, the leading Chinese search engine that makes Bing look good.

Microsoft and Apple do business in China, yet somehow it's Google that's apparently working with the Chinese. These people are honestly out of their mind.

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Post by [deleted] »

c1b wrote: post #70
ehsankia wrote: post #66

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Microsoft and Apple do business in China, yet somehow it's Google that's apparently working with the Chinese. These people are honestly out of their mind.

? The logic is really not too complicated. China is using AI to spy on citizens -- Google is creating and freely publishing state of the art versions of this AI. It's pretty clear that there is a worry here.

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