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Hong Kong Leader Backs Down on China Law But More Protests Planned

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Re: Hong Kong Leader Backs Down on China Law But More Protests Planned

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I don't mean to pick on you personally at all, but I have to reply to you a third time in this thread. This comment not only broke the site guidelines terribly, it became aggressive enough to count as harrassment. You simply can't bully another user like that on HN. We ban people for that. Let's look at the larger picture for a minute. Geopolitics between China and the West have taken a polarizing turn. Hacker News'…

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Re: Hong Kong Leader Backs Down on China Law But More Protests Planned

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Oh, well, as a "mainlander", I tell you: Hong Kong citizens WILL lose all their rights, and it will come sooner than you think. If you watched this protest and all their other protests, it is very easy to see one thing: Their action is isolated, they don't have the power to unite people other than themselves. Nobody besides themselves will stand for them. Nobody in mainland support them, nobody in mainland understand…

China is a bilion people ruled by small clique and their security apparatus. If you guys unite you will be unstoppable. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989

...at the cost of the lives of most of our friends and family.

No thanks, like one of the other posters said, focusing on earning more money is the best way of making it.

Freedom's overrated when food/shelter/amenities/relaxation options are plentiful. And if these start to suffer, having enough money gives access to other areas of the world.

Re: Hong Kong Leader Backs Down on China Law But More Protests Planned

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Of course it is going to lose more and more independence. The one country two system was designed to integrate, not dividing China and HK. The independence movement concentrate too much on 'two systems', bringing 'HK is not China' banner in parliament, trying to make China disappear in text books, do you think the central government is going to extend two systems after 50 years expires?

It was always meant to, but people naively assumed that like every other Asian developing country (South Korea, Taiwan, Indonesia, Phillipines) rising incomes would eventually result in a democratic China.

You would. Actually rising incomes would bring more democratic everything. As you can see around the world, the rise of rights are correlated with the declining of economy, in US, Europe and other countries. The opposite is true as well. Democracy is about compromising. You cannot compromise when you have nothing. If the world is a perfect place, the income will keep rising at good speed, and everyone would be happy. Unfortunately, it is not the case. The problem is the population size, for Indonesia and Philippine to develop, it will require a lot of resources, and it doesn't come from thin air. Jobs will come at the cost of developed countries. And that's something people in developed countries won't like.

I am certain once the income reach a certain threshold, North Korea would be a democratic country.

Re: Hong Kong Leader Backs Down on China Law But More Protests Planned

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It was always meant to, but people naively assumed that like every other Asian developing country (South Korea, Taiwan, Indonesia, Phillipines) rising incomes would eventually result in a democratic China.

> rising incomes would eventually result Wouldn't write that off altogether for longer values of "eventually". The current government's political legitimacy is in part tied to delivering economic development. But obviously rapid exponential growth can't continue forever. After that levels off (and with incomes/education/institutions etc more developed), it doesn't seem unthinkable that some sort of political reform w…

I believe people shape politics, not the other way around. Fundamentally, economy shape politics. Bad economy will not result in good political reform, it is actually the opposite. I cannot expect people to behave rational when there is a food crisis for example. Democracy is a luxury, and it is only useful that way.
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