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Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by arrosenberg »

cameronbrown wrote: post #86
bongobongo wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It never ceases to amaze me how people who are opposed to government surveillance by accountable liberal constitutional democracies are OK with surveillance by unaccountable private interests who lie all the time and do harm in order to make money.

The government has the ability to make me disappear. Facebook does not.

Facebook does have the opposite ability though - they could make one appear to be whoever they want. If they were inclined to use their data and technology maliciously, against an individual, I think it's likely they could ruin that life pretty quickly.

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Post by bongobongo »

cameronbrown wrote: post #86
bongobongo wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It never ceases to amaze me how people who are opposed to government surveillance by accountable liberal constitutional democracies are OK with surveillance by unaccountable private interests who lie all the time and do harm in order to make money.

The government has the ability to make me disappear. Facebook does not.

A liberal constitutional democracy does not have any more ability to make you disappear than Facebook does.

And repressive governments already use Facebook to disappear their people:

>The Facebook posts were not from everyday internet users. Instead, they were from Myanmar military personnel who turned the social network into a tool for ethnic cleansing, according to former military officials, researchers and civilian officials in the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebo...

So, the notion that it's somehow "safer" for Facebook to engage in omnipresent surveillance doesn't prove true.

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Post by la_barba »

ravenstine wrote: post #25
camjohnson26 wrote: post #18

Honestly I don’t see the problem, Facebook’s privacy stance has been well known for years. I don’t use their product much because of this, but friends and family couldn’t care less. Their response is that they don’t care if someone reads their messages or tailors ads to them and no matter how hard I try it won’t change their minds. If you don’t like their privacy stance just don’t use the product, it’s not like there…

> no reasonable person thought it didn’t What's a reasonable person? Plenty of "reasonable" people drink Coke every day because the system indoctrinates otherwise rational people into believing that sugar isn't a poison comparable to alcohol. One of my friends, who is an attorney, still thinks that snack foods devoid of fat but loaded with sugar are somehow healthier . Speculating how a rational person would respond…

>Does the fact that people comply with invasion of privacy mean that the issue doesn't matter? Maybe it does if you don't think that the behavior of the masses can be manufactured.

By that same token, convincing people to be either pro-privacy or ambivalent to privacy is manufactured behavior, isn't it? If people vote against their interest, then who are we to force them one way or the other? Its hard to say without sounding harsh, but at some point, you have to draw the line on personal responsibility, and stop coddling people. Also, privacy is a relatively modern concept. When cities and towns were small, everyone got into everyone's business. Certainly, you can favor one position over the other because of your belief that it would lead to a better society.

There are lots of things here that reasonable people can discuss and agree or disagree on.

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Post by mikeash »

ImprovedSilence wrote: post #88
mikeash wrote: post #72

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If you count by shares, yes. But his stock gets more votes, so he owns 60% of the votes.

Just to be a pedantic asshole, but I’m pretty sure he only owns 53% of voting shares.

The article I found said 60%, but that could easily be wrong or just out of date.

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Post by elorant »

rock_hard wrote: post #83
hanniabu wrote: post #53

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Didn't know about these shadow profiles, that's pretty interesting. Does anybody have an informative link handy to read more about this?

The existence of shadow profiles are pure speculation born out of the idea that just because FB can it will keep every bit of data. When in reality FB just like any other well company has only stores what it needs as long as it needs to provide the services they do. On that note I might add that most data (if it wasn’t to begin with) becomes meaningless after a few days

So how come when you first join FB it starts suggesting people to befriend who you already know? The only way to do that is by collecting information in the background for every living being. They aggregate everything and then they make correlations. By the time you decide to join they have a pretty good idea about people you might know. I can't see any other way for something like that to work.

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Post by cm2012 »

ravenstine wrote: post #47
cm2012 wrote: post #41

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https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://...

I'm not sure what your point is with that graph. Is it that 24 million Americans drink excessive amounts of alcohol and it's not a problem because they're still alive? Please forgive me if I misunderstand. This is getting off-topic, but just because the human body is well capable of expelling consumed alcohol doesn't mean that it won't suffer from other problems in the future like fatty liver disease(which is also ca…

Ah, just that the alcohol industry is supported by alcoholics, so it's understandable to not like alcohol as a whole.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by gdy »

cameronbrown wrote: post #86
bongobongo wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It never ceases to amaze me how people who are opposed to government surveillance by accountable liberal constitutional democracies are OK with surveillance by unaccountable private interests who lie all the time and do harm in order to make money.

The government has the ability to make me disappear. Facebook does not.

But character assassination with all the data on you that FB has is trivial.

Re: Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionable Privacy Practices

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Post by ryandrake »

rjkennedy98 wrote: post #19
camjohnson26 wrote: post #18

Honestly I don’t see the problem, Facebook’s privacy stance has been well known for years. I don’t use their product much because of this, but friends and family couldn’t care less. Their response is that they don’t care if someone reads their messages or tailors ads to them and no matter how hard I try it won’t change their minds. If you don’t like their privacy stance just don’t use the product, it’s not like there…

I haven't used Facebook in nearly 8 years, however to say there are alternatives is specious. For example, I have recently learned I missed my first high school reunion because it was only posted on Facebook. Unfortunately, there isn't another service out there that I could subscribe to that would ensure I receive such communication.

Think about it this way: Why would you want to go to an event where the organizers were too lazy to even invite you? I’d say you lucked out and whatever else you were doing at the time was likely more valuable.

I’ve been off of Facebook for a decade and still have a robust, satisfying social life. My real friends know how to contact me and I never feel left out of the actual important stuff going on. I think of Facebook’s existence as a blessing: it allows me to easily filter out all those low-effort “events” run by people who don’t really care if I come.

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