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Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by Waterluvian »

luckydata wrote: post #85
Waterluvian wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Millions of people are displaced yearly by war. It'll just be by climate change too. It's not new for us. It's just more of the same awfulness. Humanity will be fine. We just will have to learn to live without all the cool stuff we like, like polar bears and butterflies and Amsterdam.

You are in serious denial. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/06/climate/biodiversity-exti... What's happening right now is absolutely unprecedented and it will kill a lot of people. It's demoralizing how even within a crowd that's supposed to value science we have people waving away what's happening right now.

You're completely misreprenting what I'm saying.

Yes, it will kill a lot of people. And it's a disaster. But humanity will adapt and be fine. Kind of like how humanity survived world wars doesn't discount how awful those wars were.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by subway »

bigiain wrote: post #84
alexpotato wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with the AC repairman last year. Backstory: we have an old AC unit that uses freon. The repairman mentioned that freon is no longer available for new AC units. I asked if you could still buy freon and he said yes, existing supplies were grandfathered in. I then commented that the price of freon must have sky-rocketed and he said: "yes, it did for a while but then it became chea…

> I would imagine that as the price of IPv4 addresses crosses some threshold, people will just start going to IPv6. Instead we see "carrier grade NAT" and I end up with IP addresses like 10.X.X.X on some of my cellular devices... 'If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.' -- Henry Ford

A mix of the two seems more likely -- ipv6-only to the device, with nat64/dns64 used to handle ipv4 traffic.

T-Mobile has been ipv6-only for devices supporting 464xlat since 2014.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by fermuch »

freedomben wrote: post #37
icedchai wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is IPv6 not happening? Google shows pretty good growth: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

I've been seeing more and more pressure to support IPv6 in the various SaaS companies I've worked at. I do think it's happening. That said I tend to think LANs and VPCs will continue to use IPv4 internally for decades even if the load balancer does IPv6.

I'm at a home connection from a normal provider on brasil (third world country) and my router assigns a public ipv6 for each connection. I think all big providers have ipv6 enabled by default over here.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#94

Post by jstarfish »

broknbottle wrote: post #87

Wow, I dealt with this guy / company Micfo LLC at my previous employer a few years back. He had our DC announce a range and all his documents checked out. Some other dude reached out to our ipadmin address saying we were announcing his range. The Micfo guys had forged the documents or something shady and we removed the announcement for his range. He was very upset and claimed the other party was sour over some deal.…

Micfo provides infrastructure to anonymizing VPNs (among other things). Their network is one of the more prolific sources of fraud I've ever dealt with.

It got so bad we would preemptively block all of their BGP prefixes.

I'm not surprised in the least that they would resort to owning IP spaces they didn't.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#95

Post by jlarocco »

sundvor wrote: post #66
Waterluvian wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how I feel climate change will be tackled (whether too late or not). It will just become cheaper to go green and being green is just a side effect.

Yet initiatives like Carbon tax have been shot down (Australia) by big money, putting dangerous delays into the schedule.

I think carbon taxes are the opposite of what the OP is talking about. Carbon taxes are artificial barriers to using fossil fuels.

On the other hand, when technology improves so that electric cars cost less per mile than gasoline cars, people won't necessarily buy them to be green, they'll buy them because they're a cheaper form of transportation that happens to be greener.

Same with wind and solar power. When a solar farm on 10 acres of land can produce more energy than a coal plant on the same 10 acres, then power companies will build them instead of coal - not to be "green", but to make more money.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#96

Post by MaulingMonkey »

codedokode wrote: post #58

20 years seems a little too much for the crime that doesn't involve violence. 2 or 3 years and a solid fine should be fair punishment in my opinion.

While I'm more for rehabilitation than retribution, $10M - rough value of the stolen IPs - is a staggeringly large amount of money, around 4x the average lifetime earnings of a college graduate.

$10M can save a lot of lives, and $10M missing from shareholder's accounts and not going into employee benifit plans for healthcare etc. might very well end some. Framing that as nonviolent... is correct by the letter of the law, but it's not the way I'd frame it first and foremost.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

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Post by zhte415 »

bigiain wrote: post #84
alexpotato wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of a conversation I had with the AC repairman last year. Backstory: we have an old AC unit that uses freon. The repairman mentioned that freon is no longer available for new AC units. I asked if you could still buy freon and he said yes, existing supplies were grandfathered in. I then commented that the price of freon must have sky-rocketed and he said: "yes, it did for a while but then it became chea…

> I would imagine that as the price of IPv4 addresses crosses some threshold, people will just start going to IPv6. Instead we see "carrier grade NAT" and I end up with IP addresses like 10.X.X.X on some of my cellular devices... 'If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.' -- Henry Ford

Henry Ford didn't actually say that, though it was in line with his thinking, perhaps.

https://hbr.org/2011/08/henry-ford-never-said-the-fast

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#98

Post by [deleted] »

Waterluvian wrote: post #91
luckydata wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are in serious denial. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/06/climate/biodiversity-exti... What's happening right now is absolutely unprecedented and it will kill a lot of people. It's demoralizing how even within a crowd that's supposed to value science we have people waving away what's happening right now.

You're completely misreprenting what I'm saying. Yes, it will kill a lot of people. And it's a disaster. But humanity will adapt and be fine. Kind of like how humanity survived world wars doesn't discount how awful those wars were.

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Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#99

Post by jlarocco »

luckydata wrote: post #85
Waterluvian wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Millions of people are displaced yearly by war. It'll just be by climate change too. It's not new for us. It's just more of the same awfulness. Humanity will be fine. We just will have to learn to live without all the cool stuff we like, like polar bears and butterflies and Amsterdam.

You are in serious denial. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/06/climate/biodiversity-exti... What's happening right now is absolutely unprecedented and it will kill a lot of people. It's demoralizing how even within a crowd that's supposed to value science we have people waving away what's happening right now.

On the other hand, humans driving ourselves extinct might be the best long term scenario for the rest of life on Earth.

Realistically, the universe doesn't care one way or the other about us.

Re: Close to 735k Fraudulently Obtained IP Addresses Uncovered and Revoked

#100

Post by sundvor »

jlarocco wrote: post #95
sundvor wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet initiatives like Carbon tax have been shot down (Australia) by big money, putting dangerous delays into the schedule.

I think carbon taxes are the opposite of what the OP is talking about. Carbon taxes are artificial barriers to using fossil fuels. On the other hand, when technology improves so that electric cars cost less per mile than gasoline cars, people won't necessarily buy them to be green, they'll buy them because they're a cheaper form of transportation that happens to be greener. Same with wind and solar power. When a sola…

Fair point, and an important one!

As we're running out of time we ideally need both to happen, but it's good that green tech is becoming increasingly more financially viable. As a little gem, just about all reports from the SA Tesla battery installation make for simply fantastic reading.

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