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Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by ShrinkingWild »

untog wrote: post #21

Everyone's in favour of the free market until it does something they disagree with. Anyone can start a new browser. Gab could fork Chromium or Firefox, even. Or they could probably just make a bookmarklet. But that wouldn't get any attention and hate groups like Gab thrive on controversies like this. HN is doing them a favour here. They're not doing anything new or original (remember the Genius annotator, anyone?).

Disagreement with a particular provider or producers actions within the free market is not equal to disagreement with the free market in general. AFAIK Gab isn't calling for regulation of the market to prevent this, so there's no contradiction here.

In fact gab is participating in the free market exactly how you'd expect a believer in the free market to act, they're creating their own browser: https://github.com/gab-ai-inc/defiant-browser

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by boobsbr »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #90
boobsbr wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Sure is convenient that this little cliché lets you ignore me and stop thinking about what I say.

I didn't ignore you, I read your comments and pondered, and reached the conclusion that your arguments are feeble.

What you've been spouting all over the comments: people I don't like are using this tool, thus everyone using this tool and the tool itself is evil. SHUT IT DOWN! If you disagree with me, you are evil as well.

You're advocating censorship.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

#93

Post by ShrinkingWild »

Ygg2 wrote: post #83
untog wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox and Chrome can't both be a monopoly.

Chrome is a monopoly. Firefox is just a backbench player at this point.

What resources have chrome monopolised to prevent other browsers from being provided?

If chrome is a monopoly, why can I just go download firefox or opera or internet explorer?

Chrome isn't a monopoly, it's just the most popular/best on the market at the moment.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

#94

Post by boobsbr »

ShrinkingWild wrote: post #91
untog wrote: post #21

Everyone's in favour of the free market until it does something they disagree with. Anyone can start a new browser. Gab could fork Chromium or Firefox, even. Or they could probably just make a bookmarklet. But that wouldn't get any attention and hate groups like Gab thrive on controversies like this. HN is doing them a favour here. They're not doing anything new or original (remember the Genius annotator, anyone?).

Disagreement with a particular provider or producers actions within the free market is not equal to disagreement with the free market in general. AFAIK Gab isn't calling for regulation of the market to prevent this, so there's no contradiction here. In fact gab is participating in the free market exactly how you'd expect a believer in the free market to act, they're creating their own browser: https://github.com/gab-…

Well, publishing an article and complaining on Mozilla's platform is part of the free market as well.

As long as Gab is not demanding government intervention, it's up to the private parties to solve their conflicts.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by ShrinkingWild »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #12
jamsch wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In other words, mental gymnastics to justify that your opponents are morally wrong and you're right, and because they're wrong, I have every right to stop them by any means necessary.

Same "mental gymnastics" that were used to go to war against nazis in WW2, yes. Was that wrong?

I think the main difference here is that the nazi's were actually doing bad things as well as saying bad things.

In this case, bar the rare exception by individuals, these are people who are vocal that they think they're superior based on a superficial biological trait and nothing more.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by Ygg2 »

ShrinkingWild wrote: post #93
Ygg2 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome is a monopoly. Firefox is just a backbench player at this point.

What resources have chrome monopolised to prevent other browsers from being provided? If chrome is a monopoly, why can I just go download firefox or opera or internet explorer? Chrome isn't a monopoly, it's just the most popular/best on the market at the moment.

Google used its influence via Web Search to expand into the field of Web Browsers. So Google used it's Web presence to recommend Chrome.

Additionally, Google used it's Web Services (e.g. Google Mail, Google Docs, YouTube) to nudge users in the direction of Chrome. If YouTube works best with Chrome, people will flock to it.

Finally, Chrome might be the popular choice, but the most popular choice can be quite heinous in other ways.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by boobsbr »

jamsch wrote: post #81
dagw wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect he's talking about individuals and activist groups in the US and Europe, rather than governments, state actors, and more formal armed militias and rebel groups.

Broadly speaking, one side believes that the government should only own guns while the other side believes that everyone should own guns. So that makes sense that you won't likely see a radical leftist use guns but you could very much see an authoritarian radical leftist government use weapons against it's defenceless civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_sh...

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by ShrinkingWild »

Ygg2 wrote: post #96
ShrinkingWild wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What resources have chrome monopolised to prevent other browsers from being provided? If chrome is a monopoly, why can I just go download firefox or opera or internet explorer? Chrome isn't a monopoly, it's just the most popular/best on the market at the moment.

Google used its influence via Web Search to expand into the field of Web Browsers. So Google used it's Web presence to recommend Chrome. Additionally, Google used it's Web Services (e.g. Google Mail, Google Docs, YouTube) to nudge users in the direction of Chrome. If YouTube works best with Chrome, people will flock to it. Finally, Chrome might be the popular choice, but the most popular choice can be quite heinous i…

Yes, Google promoted themselves on their own services, what's the problem with that? The influence gained from their prowess in web search was legitimate, I don't see a problem with them leveraging that. If chrome was garbage it wouldn't have helped.

And yes, Google's products and services work best inside Google's browser. There's no problem there either, they can stop you using them in other browsers completely if they like, it's their property to do with as they please.

You're free not to use chrome or any of Google's services, there are other options, so Google is not a monopoly.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by wayneftw »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #87
Funes- wrote: post #77

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You are aware that mass murdering is and has been carried out by people encompassing the whole religious and political spectrum, right?

So? That does not make this problem any less real, nor does it make it go away.

So, stop paying your taxes because you're supporting the biggest terrorists of all time.

There are way more racists than you think. The ones you see on Gab are the tip of the iceberg and they're not even a fraction of a percent as violent as the state-funded ones.

Also, speech is not violence.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

#100

Post by [deleted] »

ShrinkingWild wrote: post #95
WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same "mental gymnastics" that were used to go to war against nazis in WW2, yes. Was that wrong?

I think the main difference here is that the nazi's were actually doing bad things as well as saying bad things. In this case, bar the rare exception by individuals, these are people who are vocal that they think they're superior based on a superficial biological trait and nothing more.

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