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Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by jamsch »

dagw wrote: post #66
kshatrea wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you consider communism as far left, then yes the far left has absolutely killed millions. If you do not consider communism far left, I don't know what to tell you.

I suspect he's talking about individuals and activist groups in the US and Europe, rather than governments, state actors, and more formal armed militias and rebel groups.

Broadly speaking, one side believes that the government should only own guns while the other side believes that everyone should own guns. So that makes sense that you won't likely see a radical leftist use guns but you could very much see an authoritarian radical leftist government use weapons against it's defenceless civilians.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by [deleted] »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #67
Ygg2 wrote: post #38

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Laws and practices that help you exclude certain opinions. Like for example in this case the Mozilla Acceptable Use Policy. Change a few words, add some statements, and it can be used against Antifa. Homophobes were just an example, you can substitute with Nazis or others.

Then don't change it.

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Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by Ygg2 »

untog wrote: post #56
kaolti wrote: post #40

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Fair enough. Do you not see the problem with a monopoly deciding what is and isn't okay to say? You're comparing people who comment on websites to nazis? Did you not get the memo about the media calling everyone they don't like a nazi - including Pewdiepie? Do you really think these companies have YOUR best interest at heart instead of just siding with the political views of their shareholders?

Firefox and Chrome can't both be a monopoly.

Chrome is a monopoly. Firefox is just a backbench player at this point.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by yorwba »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #62
popzq wrote: post #49

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That's cool, not everybody has to like free speech; defending free speech or not is purely a political opinion, like many other issues.

See, I'd be more impressed by the "we're just defending free speech" argument that comes up so often if it was ever for anything other than racism, sexism and hate.

It's also used for pornography, e.g. when Tumblr decided to clean their platform, the LGBT+ community seemed to be hit especially hard.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by Funes- »

maeln wrote: post #76
Grue3 wrote: post #30

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>You can't 'debate' hate speech away. Surely you can. To believe otherwise is to believe that hate is logically sound. It's just that people's standards for what constitutes "debate" have lowered so much (thanks to Twitter and its ilk) that it no longer holds any persuasive power. Consider that most people in the West were extremely racist just a few decades ago. It didn't take free speech suppression to change this…

If you can surely debate hate away, it is extremely costing for your mental health. My own experience is that, when doing it face to face it's more easy, you can really get through someone. People are less "protected" and have more emotional connection. But on the Internet ? I stopped trying. Every time it's the same thing: People prefer to be 'trolls' and just throw insults and bullshit all day. Unless the person is…

I don't think debating is ever a good means to change anyone's point of view on any given subject. Introspection, deliberation, and personal experience, on the other hand, are good means to that end.

Teaching by example is, to my mind, the best way someone can guide others to those personal endeavors, which are the only ones that can grant deep and lasting changes in our world views and beliefs.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by sintaxi »

belorn wrote: post #64

With safe harbour laws the concept of editorial control comes up as a legal test that courts use to determine intermediary liability. By going this route Mozilla is now declaring that not only are they taking responsibility of what extensions they publish, but also how those extensions in turn are used by users. One level deeper of indirections. So any site which has an EULA that forbids adblockers can use this case…

Yip, in other words section 230 of the Communications Decency Act has limits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communicati...

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by WAHa_06x36 »

Funes- wrote: post #77
WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #65

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You are aware that most of recent mass murderers have been from the far right, many even posting on gab?

You are aware that mass murdering is and has been carried out by people encompassing the whole religious and political spectrum, right?

So? That does not make this problem any less real, nor does it make it go away.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by WAHa_06x36 »

dagw wrote: post #73
untog wrote: post #63

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Expanding your criteria to encompass all of history isn't really all that helpful. Today, in the actual situation we are experiencing as opposed to political movements that have been dead for decades, the far right are more violent than the far left by a large margin.

far right are more violent than the far left by a large margin. Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but you're going to have to define your terms more narrowly if you want your argument to hold. Which countries, who's "we", are we talking state actors or individuals, how to Maoist rebel groups in Asia and South America feature into your calculus etc.

We are talking about what is relevant in the here and now. We are talking about murders that are happening now.

Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by boobsbr »

WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #25
teekert wrote: post #18

Hmm, first time I heard of this. Maybe I can even continue some of my beloved flagged HN discussions on there! Sounds great!

Sure, if you are looking for somewhere to be a racist, islamaphobe or antisemite, it's a wonderful place.

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Re: Mozilla and Google Chrome Refuse to Support Gab’s Dissenter Extension

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Post by WAHa_06x36 »

boobsbr wrote: post #89
WAHa_06x36 wrote: post #25

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Sure, if you are looking for somewhere to be a racist, islamaphobe or antisemite, it's a wonderful place.

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Sure is convenient that this little cliché lets you ignore me and stop thinking about what I say.
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