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In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing
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Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, there's been an enormous propaganda push to legitimize a future U.S. intervention - either a direct invasion, or igniting a full-blown civil war by arming right-wing paramilitaries, as was the standard operating procedure throughout the 80's.
The inflation rate is 2688670%, they are refusing aid, they are having widespread electricity outages and food shortages, it seems like their leader has become a despot. At what point is it reasonable for an outside intervention?
the aid is a charade :)
Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing
#93Unfortunately, the population accepted a gun ban back in 2012.
As long as the military continues to support the government, an armed population cannot not successfully force Maduro out. There are also many Venezuelan civilians who still support the regime. These people would presumably also have guns.
The decline im Venezuela was quite rapid from a high place. The people there must be in shock and desperate. I'm not wishing for violence, but it seems like the rare kind of scenario where violence might be successful. And Chavez was clearly concerned about it enough to disarm people before the collapse happened.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I hear the theory often that armed civilians can't effect positive change, and I don't know where the certainty comes from. Surely it's a longshot, like all violence is because of the ensuing chaos, but it seems plausible when the people at least remember something better.
Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apples to oranges comparison, US citizens still have their freedoms. Some people are just irritated in the US because politics and because the deep state is losing its grip. Americans are not dying from starvation or being gunned down by the military for protesting the government.
There is no deep state. There is the rule of law, made by our representatives and questions are decided by courts. Regardless of one person's views, we make choices based on a legal basis.
Not really, remember how it turned out that the NSA was breaking the law? Nobody is really a first-world country, especially when the public isn't watching. The US is just first world more often than average. It probably has something to do with the fact that the public watches most of what's going on, at least on the basic level. Anywhere the public is confused (often the case for consumer and environmental issues) or deliberately kept in the dark (you-know-who) corruption runs rampant.
Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
The inflation rate is 2688670%, they are refusing aid, they are having widespread electricity outages and food shortages, it seems like their leader has become a despot. At what point is it reasonable for an outside intervention?
the aid is a charade :)
Even if it is, which I doubt, that is like the least important thing that I listed.
Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing
#96Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing
#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, there's been an enormous propaganda push to legitimize a future U.S. intervention - either a direct invasion, or igniting a full-blown civil war by arming right-wing paramilitaries, as was the standard operating procedure throughout the 80's.
The inflation rate is 2688670%, they are refusing aid, they are having widespread electricity outages and food shortages, it seems like their leader has become a despot. At what point is it reasonable for an outside intervention?
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, there's been an enormous propaganda push to legitimize a future U.S. intervention - either a direct invasion, or igniting a full-blown civil war by arming right-wing paramilitaries, as was the standard operating procedure throughout the 80's.
The inflation rate is 2688670%, they are refusing aid, they are having widespread electricity outages and food shortages, it seems like their leader has become a despot. At what point is it reasonable for an outside intervention?
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#99Invade and keep the oil. The Venezuelan people get to live in a decent country and whoever invaded gets rewarded. Sure the military is on maduros side because he is the one that (barely) feeds them but an organization/government that is well financially supported would have no problems changing their hearts with a little more cash on the table.. this needs to be seen as an opportunity more than it is a crisis
why would any entity invade (which is expensive), but still give back to the people there afterwards if the oil is the only profit from the invasion? The people needs to rebel, and have a civil war. Take back the country, and rebuild the oil infrastructure. remove price control of goods, and let the market work.
we give countries millions in aid for "humanitarian" reasons without expecting much back, you think we wouldnt be interested in getting our hands in one of the biggest oil reserves in the world? And actually there is nothing to give back directly, the very act of overthrowing the current gov which is the cause of their misery is their aid. Its like removing trees that are blocking a road because you plan to sell them. Your actions have good repercussions even though they are done according to your interest.
The people cant rebel because there is no one with enough cojones or brains to do it. it sounds harsh but it is true. "venezuelan rambo" tried to revolt and even though people supported him through social media, they simply were not willing to die for the cause so the government stamped him out. Besides even if there was a successful revolt the probability of another maduro/chavez rising out of that is high. I am convinced the only way we fix the world is literally by controlling it. We are the only ones doing society right. sounds harsh and not politically correct but its time to leave behind beauty-parlor chitchat and get real with ourselves. the only reason why the US shouldnt directly do it is because we would set a bad example for countries. We couldn't judge Russia with the same yard stick we measure ourselves with
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