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Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by rbritton »

dragontamer wrote: post #79
ok_coo wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife came home yesterday and told me that her work said if the shutdown continues in late February - March that they'll probably have to cut her position along with others at her workplace (they're federally-funded). If that happens, I will likely be forced to quit my current job as well and find a higher paying job to help compensate while she looks for new work. I'm currently paid under market rate, but I love m…

His base wants the temper tantrum and the shutdown. The fact of the matter is, Trump hasn't lost any ground in his approval rating over this yet. With that being said, Democrats don't want the wall. They were pretty much elected to stop the wall and have a huge majority in the House. I don't see how this gets resolved at all. To have the shutdown end, the House (Democrats), Senate (Republicans), and President have to…

I think it’s more accurate to say the Democrats (and many of their supporters) don’t want a Trump success. Most or all of the current players that were in office in 2006 voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, and the same applies to the 2013 Senate immigration overhaul. It has little to do with the subject of the budget allocation and everything to do with obstructing (for better or worse depending on your own views).

Politics in the US has devolved into a strictly two-party system where it’s more important for the other side to fail than be able to hold their success up, where it has ceased to be about what’s best for our civilization and more about grabbing and holding on to as much power as possible, our rights be damned. I don’t hold the Republicans or Democrats any higher in this.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by hermitdev »

ggggtez wrote: post #83
rplst8 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but this coupled with the fact they shut down things that don't otherwise really require a human to actively working proves that it's all just a political ploy.

Bandwidth costs money. It's likely technically cheaper to serve a 404 than to serve the data. Besides that, it's not what costs less, it's what LOOKS like it costs less.

If saving money is the game, it's cheaper still to turn off the servers.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

#93

Post by dragontamer »

rbritton wrote: post #91
dragontamer wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His base wants the temper tantrum and the shutdown. The fact of the matter is, Trump hasn't lost any ground in his approval rating over this yet. With that being said, Democrats don't want the wall. They were pretty much elected to stop the wall and have a huge majority in the House. I don't see how this gets resolved at all. To have the shutdown end, the House (Democrats), Senate (Republicans), and President have to…

I think it’s more accurate to say the Democrats (and many of their supporters) don’t want a Trump success. Most or all of the current players that were in office in 2006 voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, and the same applies to the 2013 Senate immigration overhaul. It has little to do with the subject of the budget allocation and everything to do with obstructing (for better or worse depending on your own views…

> I think it’s more accurate to say the Democrats (and many of their supporters) don’t want a Trump success. Most or all of the current players that were in office in 2006 voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, and the same applies to the 2013 Senate immigration overhaul.

The Democrats offered +$1.3 Billion to boarder security. Its literally passed the House already. Proof is in the pudding, Democrats ALREADY passed such a bill weeks ago. The Democrats are have already accepted +Fences at the boarder.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-joint-res...

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/21/t...

If Trump dials back his rhetoric and asks for a fence, I bet you this shutdown will end. Heck, if the Senate takes up the Democrats's +$1.3 Billion offer, this whole thing could be over on Monday.

Senate hasn't passed a bill yet in any case. As I said earlier: the Senate is where bills typically die. Nothing new there. But Republicans don't want a fence, they want a wall. Otherwise, they would have passed H.J Res.1 / HR 21 already.

Trump's base wants a wall. That's where the debate is stuck right now. They aren't accepting a fence.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by panarky »

aboutruby wrote: post #2

From reddit: > This article is overly hyperbolic. Some obscure subdomains of government websites are serving expired x509 certificates. They're not down and this definitely doesn't compromise the encryption that protects any login credentials. Anyway, it is embarassing to see certificate renewal is not automated - it's something any good sysadmin would have set up. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/aeps41/…

> it is embarrassing to see certificate renewal is not automated

It's also pretty irresponsible to let certs get this close to expiration. Why weren't they renewed 60 days ago?

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by metildaa »

tyingq wrote: post #12
wlesieutre wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the worry is letting them run unattended when no one is allowed to do maintenance/security work in the event of a problem?

I guess, but it's likely the seldom used blocker page code has security and/or maintenance issues too.

Serving a static HTML page has security or maintenance issues? This is reaching IMO, short of the web server having a vuln, this shouldn't take much to create/maintain.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by tyingq »

metildaa wrote: post #95
tyingq wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess, but it's likely the seldom used blocker page code has security and/or maintenance issues too.

Serving a static HTML page has security or maintenance issues? This is reaching IMO, short of the web server having a vuln, this shouldn't take much to create/maintain.

I have seen many real world bad "maintenance mode" implementations. Including things like "oops, we are now serving up scripts/configuration/etc as plain text".

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by JamesBarney »

rbritton wrote: post #91
dragontamer wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His base wants the temper tantrum and the shutdown. The fact of the matter is, Trump hasn't lost any ground in his approval rating over this yet. With that being said, Democrats don't want the wall. They were pretty much elected to stop the wall and have a huge majority in the House. I don't see how this gets resolved at all. To have the shutdown end, the House (Democrats), Senate (Republicans), and President have to…

I think it’s more accurate to say the Democrats (and many of their supporters) don’t want a Trump success. Most or all of the current players that were in office in 2006 voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006, and the same applies to the 2013 Senate immigration overhaul. It has little to do with the subject of the budget allocation and everything to do with obstructing (for better or worse depending on your own views…

The way to view this and previous shutdowns is to blame the party that isn't willing to vote for the CR. That's the party taking the government hostage to achieve their political goals.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by pas »

untog wrote: post #58
tyingq wrote: post #52

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The blocker page is served from S3, which isn't free :)

Maybe they all put their loose change in a pot. Should last for a year or so!

isn't there a free micro instance option? or it was only free for a year?

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by JamesBarney »

maratd wrote: post #48
linkmotif wrote: post #36

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Because most of the government is a waste of money and exists merely to perpetuate itself. The fact that it just shuts down sometimes is a great indicator of just that. It’s an entity that is accountable to nobody because no matter how well or poorly it performs it just collects revenue anyway. You can’t #deletegovt. The sooner people move away from viewing it as a good employer, the better. There’s no smooth or eleg…

Instead of downvoting the parent, make an actual argument instead. You'll find it difficult. If the current shutdown proves anything, it's that many functions of the federal government are un-essential to daily life. Those un-essential parts should be eliminated.

For most people this argument doesn't follow because they don't see elimination of government as a terminal goal. We believe the government does a lot of useful but un-essential functions, like operate federal parks.

The other thing is the vast majority of the government's budget is Medicare, DoD, and social security which are all still operating to my knowledge.

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