YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by ucaetano » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 2:38 PM UTC

WC3w6pXxgGd wrote: post #79

pjc50 wrote: post #35

Just so we're all on the same page, this is article 13.1: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CEL... "Information society service providers that store and provide to the public access to large amounts of works or other subject-matter uploaded by their users shall, in cooperation with rightholders, take measures to ensure the functioning of agreements concluded with rightholders for the use of the…

As written, that sounds like indecipherable garbage.

That's the intent. A lot of EU regulations are written in a way that could be interpreted in almost any way, making it impossible to be 100% compliant and leaving you at the mercy of politically-minded regulators.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by samontar » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 2:44 PM UTC

anoncake wrote: post #87

SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When I can run a personal server on a personal device and serve content to thousands - some of whom may want to peer it, if it's interesting enough - then we may see a genuinely free Internet. Uhh... you can do this right now. Like most people you may not have the skills or equipment necessary to do so, but 100% anyone can do this today, down to hosting their own DNS server. (And then they can discover that it is m…

If you don't have the skills or equipment to do something, you literally cannot do it.

The skill barrier is low. It’s all turnkey now with cloud platforms. Literally just a web tutorial away. The hard part is the audience and the fact that video hosting is expensive for individuals.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by TeMPOraL » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 2:47 PM UTC

w0m wrote: post #90

gambler wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Video hosting has always been expensive comparatively. Torrents seem to be doing it perfectly fine for free. People keep speaking about YouTube as if its main function is video storage, while if fact the main thing they bring to the table these days is suggestions, search and a massive pre-established audience. If there was a way to plug into their search/suggestions/ads without giving away control of your video fil…

> Torrents seem to be doing it perfectly fine for free .. for quick 30s clips that you want to spread virally through a txt msg to my tech-illiterate mother?

That's an UX problem mostly. I hope one day IPFS will be able to handle that use case reliably.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by ravenstine » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 2:50 PM UTC

w0m wrote: post #90

gambler wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Video hosting has always been expensive comparatively. Torrents seem to be doing it perfectly fine for free. People keep speaking about YouTube as if its main function is video storage, while if fact the main thing they bring to the table these days is suggestions, search and a massive pre-established audience. If there was a way to plug into their search/suggestions/ads without giving away control of your video fil…

> Torrents seem to be doing it perfectly fine for free .. for quick 30s clips that you want to spread virally through a txt msg to my tech-illiterate mother?

I'm pretty sure BitChute uses WebTorrent, although I don't know if that's for mere hosting or just to reduce bandwidth use.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 2:53 PM UTC

w0m wrote: post #90

gambler wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Video hosting has always been expensive comparatively. Torrents seem to be doing it perfectly fine for free. People keep speaking about YouTube as if its main function is video storage, while if fact the main thing they bring to the table these days is suggestions, search and a massive pre-established audience. If there was a way to plug into their search/suggestions/ads without giving away control of your video fil…

> Torrents seem to be doing it perfectly fine for free .. for quick 30s clips that you want to spread virally through a txt msg to my tech-illiterate mother?

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Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by Sharlin » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 2:54 PM UTC

SmallDeadGuy wrote: post #80

tialaramex wrote: post #56

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> an illegitimate DMCA takedown request would be a felony No. DMCA takedown requests go like this "I represent Bozo Media, they own all sharks wearing hats, and this video is infringing on their rights, take it down" The only part that's under penalty of perjury (a felony) is the claim that you represent Bozo Media. If you do, you have not committed a crime regardless of whether the rest of what you wrote is obvious…

> Maybe Bozo actually only owns "Toothy the hat-wearing shark", a large orange cartoon shark. Doesn't matter, not a crime to claim they own more. I didn't know that, why not? I would have assumed it was but then I'm not a legal expert.

Why would the big media companies, that basically dictated the law, have made things more difficult to themselves? Note that serving a DMCA takedown notice is not a legal action in itself. It is actually illegal to lie in only a few contexts.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by josefresco » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 2:56 PM UTC

ilikerashers wrote: post #20

josefresco wrote: post #6

"YouTube has already invested more than $60 million into its Content ID system" That actually seems low to me, given we're talking about numbers (revenue, users) in the billions.

I was surprised when the best way to watch UFC 229 (PPV) was simply typing it into YouTube and watching full HD quality. YouTube won't do anything unless government action forces them to.

I too was also amazed at how easy it was to find pirated TV content via Google having long given up my pirate ways.

I pay for YouTube TV and their DVR messed up and didn't record 1 episode of a TV series.

After exhausting all legal ways to acquire said content, I found numerous links on page 1 and 2 of Google, offering the content with minimal shadiness. The trick was to search for a very specific titles, such as "Shark Tank Season 1 Episode 1" or "Shark Tank S1E1" etc. This filters out all the "general" results. If 37 year old me, years detached from pirating can figure this out in 10 minutes, it's clear Google gives zero f*cks unless compelled (legally) to do so.

Edit: To clarify, the streams were not hosted on YouTube, but rather Google results led me to 3rd party streaming options. This isn't a criticism of Content ID, more Google's policy towards privacy in general.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by leereeves » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 3:06 PM UTC

michaelt wrote: post #74

leereeves wrote: post #67

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It's hypocritical of them to claim they care about creators while treating creators badly.

Is it hypocritical for a farmer to care about his cattle's wellbeing when they're destined for the slaughterhouse?

The farmer never cares about the cattle's well being. The farmer cares about the meat.

If YouTube thinks like that, thinks of content creators as a consumable asset, that would explain a lot.

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by mrep » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 3:09 PM UTC

IBM wrote: post #49

>“This legislation poses a threat to both your livelihood and your ability to share your voice with the world,” Wojcicki wrote. “And, if implemented as proposed, Article 13 threatens hundreds of thousands of jobs, European Creators, businesses, artists, and everyone they employ. The proposal will force platforms, like YouTube, to prioritize content from a small number of large companies. I find it extremely hard to b…

Are you actually suggesting that Google, a company that is infamous for shutting down products, will never shut down or limit this one?

Re: YouTube CEO says EU regulation will be bad for creators

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Post by mrep » Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 3:14 PM UTC

choot wrote: post #82

The best way to benefit from a pie isn't to turn the plate upside down but to make and take a cut for yourself. Afaik, this is just a way to reduce profitability of YouTube, which YouTube will be cunningly passing down to the creators and advertisers.

By reduce profitability, do you mean increase losses because they have literally never made money on it. Keep hammering them down and Google will eventually shut it down.