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Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Post by mindcrime »

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #75
armandososa wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok. Maybe GP should have said UI instead of UX, but still, the spacebar to pause is a bigger deal for me that everything you mention. It's like not having the light in your fridge go on when you open the door. It's not important for the actual purpose of the thing but it is something one has come to expect.

I literally don't know anyone who watches Netflix on a device with a space bar. I mean, I get it. For you that is important. I couldn't care less, and would never watch any of these things on a laptop. I usually watch them via devices that are connected to a regular TV. Otherwise, very occasionally on a tablet or phone.

I literally don't know anyone who watches Netflix on a device with a space bar.

Hi, I'm mindcrime. Now you know somebody who watches Netflix on a device with a spacebar.

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Post by mindcrime »

marssaxman wrote: post #88
mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally don't know anyone who watches Netflix on a device with a space bar. I mean, I get it. For you that is important. I couldn't care less, and would never watch any of these things on a laptop. I usually watch them via devices that are connected to a regular TV. Otherwise, very occasionally on a tablet or phone.

I've had a Netflix account since the shiny-disc era and I've never watched it on anything but a device with a space bar... a laptop is the device I connect to a regular TV.

I've never watched it on anything but a device with a space bar..

Same. I rarely if ever watch Netflix on anything other than my laptop.

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Post by gamblor956 »

xenadu02 wrote: post #77
sethammons wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last popular one I recall was Lord of the Rings, but I admittedly do not follow this stuff even remotely. Just recall a post, prolly on here, about it.

Point on the net are points on nothing. Everyone has known this for 20 years now, so all points are on the gross. As a result, Hollywood has started manipulating the gross numbers to hide money. The Lord of the Rings lawsuit was over the right to audit the books to detect such fraud. No studio will ever actually let you look at the books. Period. If you sue they’ll drag it out then settle.

As a result, Hollywood has started manipulating the gross numbers to hide money.

...No studio will ever actually let you look at the books. Period. If you sue they’ll drag it out then settle.

I used to have Hollywood studios as clients. This is blatantly false. Hollywood is built on two things: money and relationships. A studio that screws someone over is quickly out of business because no one will do business with them again.

If you have sufficient clout, you get to see the books. If you invest sufficient money, you get to see the books. If you're anyone else, you're not in a position to care what's in the books since you get paid whether or not the films does well.

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Post by gamblor956 »

da_chicken wrote: post #89
krapp wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Disney purchase Star Wars only to shackle themselves and filmmakers to decades of convoluted lore, not to mention rights negotiations and royalty payments, to rehash stories that have already been told, and tell them to an audience who, for the most part, couldn't care less?

You mean, copy exactly what the same company did with Marvell, the most successful and profitable film franchise in history? You didn't think that those movie plots were original did you? Infinity Gauntlet is from the 70s.

Marvel comics are all cannon...And Disney acquired Marvel after it had a history of taking its decades of comics and turning them into movies.

The Star Wars EU was not cannon. It was glorified fan-fiction. More importantly, with Marvel there was no need to maintain historical consistency since the comics themselves were continuously rebooted and retconned over decades. With Star Wars, there is only a single continuum.

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Post by gamblor956 »

da_chicken wrote: post #86
krapp wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. The franchise has never aspired to be anything else. And I'd rather they at least take some risks than continue to regurgitate the OT. If you ignore all of the nonsense from redpillers about SJWs and Kathleen Kennedy turning it into anti-male propaganda, I feel like many of the the remaining criticism…

I agree, we should ignore the gender politics of this movie and it's detractors and that whole argument entirely. That has nothing to do with whether the movie is any good. > But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. Yes, but it's also supposed to be a continuing story. It's a serialized, epic, swashbuckling space opera. While TLJ is still a…

People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star!

I'm reminded of that scene in the Empire Strikes Back where they destroyed a Death Star. Oh wait! They didn't. Because in the middle movie of most trilogies, bad things happen to the heroes. They fail. They reach rock bottom, and the third movie is their final struggle.

You can't take any story with any characters and any plot elements and place it in the Star War Universe and magically have a Star Wars movie.

That's exactly what they did with Rogue One. Worked very well. In contrast, Solo was done in the style of the traditional SW movies and is generally acknowledged as a failure.

It's the same reason the Mad Max remake was good...You have to have some respect for the tone, themes, and plots of what came before. TLJ disrespects it's audience's desires by disrespecting the draw of the source material.

Mad Max Fury Road was completely inconsistent, tonally and other wise, with the original Mad Max, and is a direct descendant of the campiness of Beyond Thunderdome. Batman v Superman, on the other hand, ws made with the same tones, themes, and plots as the other DC Synderverse movies, and was still quite terrible. Aliens and Alien are both considered terrific, genre-defining films. Yet Aliens has very little in common with Alien other than Ripley and the xenomorph. The same can be said of Terminator and T2. Harry Potter 3 and on have little tonally in common with the first two films, yet the third is considered one of the best in the series. Etc...

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Post by clubm8 »

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #55
ggregoire wrote: post #53

I wish Netflix would force HBO Go and Amazon Prime Video into an UX war. It drives me crazy how bad the player and the general experience are on these 2 services. You can’t even pause with the space bar on HBO.

I could not disagree more. Prime Video is by far the best user experience for me, and Netflix is by far the worst. I can't stand how Netflix displays related results when they don't actually have a particular result in stock. I cannot stand the auto-start feature where if you're browsing and idle too long on one item, it will start playing a trailer or synopsis. The sideways scroll under different heading is horrible…

>Prime Video is by far the best user experience for me, and Netflix is by far the worst.

Prime is good while watching. For finding content Netflix is superior IMHO. The recommendation algorithm is better, plus the search is better. Amazon Prime treats seasons as distinct entities - so you need to manually add each available season of a show.

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Post by ggregoire »

mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #55
ggregoire wrote: post #53

I wish Netflix would force HBO Go and Amazon Prime Video into an UX war. It drives me crazy how bad the player and the general experience are on these 2 services. You can’t even pause with the space bar on HBO.

I could not disagree more. Prime Video is by far the best user experience for me, and Netflix is by far the worst. I can't stand how Netflix displays related results when they don't actually have a particular result in stock. I cannot stand the auto-start feature where if you're browsing and idle too long on one item, it will start playing a trailer or synopsis. The sideways scroll under different heading is horrible…

Some killer features from Netflix:

- skip the intros in 1 click

- access any episode of the season you're watching from the player

- see which episodes I already watched from the player

- have a summary of the previous episodes from the player

- english subtitles outside of the US on every Netflix shows

- i also think the search algorithm is better

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Post by krapp »

da_chicken wrote: post #89
krapp wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would Disney purchase Star Wars only to shackle themselves and filmmakers to decades of convoluted lore, not to mention rights negotiations and royalty payments, to rehash stories that have already been told, and tell them to an audience who, for the most part, couldn't care less?

You mean, copy exactly what the same company did with Marvell, the most successful and profitable film franchise in history? You didn't think that those movie plots were original did you? Infinity Gauntlet is from the 70s.

>You didn't think that those movie plots were original did you? Infinity Gauntlet is from the 70s.

Yes. The story begins after Thanos already has the gauntlet and has already used it to kill half the universe... because he has a crush on the cosmic embodiment of Death and wants to impress her.

I'm glad they didn't film that, it would have been stupid.

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Post by krapp »

da_chicken wrote: post #86
krapp wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. The franchise has never aspired to be anything else. And I'd rather they at least take some risks than continue to regurgitate the OT. If you ignore all of the nonsense from redpillers about SJWs and Kathleen Kennedy turning it into anti-male propaganda, I feel like many of the the remaining criticism…

I agree, we should ignore the gender politics of this movie and it's detractors and that whole argument entirely. That has nothing to do with whether the movie is any good. > But "a great action flick to go see if you are bored on a Saturday night" is what a Star Wars film is supposed to be. Yes, but it's also supposed to be a continuing story. It's a serialized, epic, swashbuckling space opera. While TLJ is still a…

>People go to a Star Wars movie to see the hero destroy the Death Star!

Speak for yourself... I've seen that three times already (Starkiller Base is just a really big Death Star,) I don't need to see it again.

I'm an adult fan, I do want to see a bit of depth in my space opera. I want heroes who doubt themselves and grey morality and villains I can sympathize with, at least a little, if not agree with. You can have swashbuckling and sturm und drang, that's why it's called "space opera."

It's just a matter of taste whether or not people want the formula. I hate the prequels, but I know fans who like them, and (as much as I don't want to admit it) there are fans who consider them superior to the originals.

I can understand why some people don't like Last Jedi, but I don't think it deserves the degree of hate that it gets, and I suspect that it will be looked on more favorably in hindsight. Although that probably depends on how well Episode IX does.

Re: Netflix Is Forcing Hollywood into a Talent War

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Post by mlthoughts2018 »

mindcrime wrote: post #91
mlthoughts2018 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally don't know anyone who watches Netflix on a device with a space bar. I mean, I get it. For you that is important. I couldn't care less, and would never watch any of these things on a laptop. I usually watch them via devices that are connected to a regular TV. Otherwise, very occasionally on a tablet or phone.

I literally don't know anyone who watches Netflix on a device with a space bar. Hi, I'm mindcrime. Now you know somebody who watches Netflix on a device with a spacebar.

Wasn't disputing that such people exist, which is why I said I understood it was important in my comment.

The point was that someone replied originally by saying the need for space bar to pause a video trumped everything else, and my goal was to emphasize how there might be _utterly gigantic_ subpopulations of streaming service customers for whom such a feature would literally never be relevant. So that perhaps it's not a useful feature by which to judge the overall quality of different providers, even if you happen to be one of the rare people who really relies on it.

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