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Dulles Airport Surprises Passengers with Facial-Recognition Boarding

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Re: Dulles Airport Surprises Passengers with Facial-Recognition Boarding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self-scanning in supermarkets was supposedly all about speeding checkout as a benefit to the consumer. This is about speeding boarding - that's the marketing friendly benefit to be shouted about. In actuality supermarket self-scanning is often slower than a traditional checkout queue. Particularly when items require staff authorisation. I expect this to be no better than traditional boarding in most cases. The real b…

The actual scanning might be slower, but the queues are much shorter for self-scanning at the stores where I by groceries. Also, where I live we have portable scanners. You pick up a scanner when you enter the store, you scan all your groceries and put them directly in the bag (or under the stroller) and when you reach the exit you leave the scanner and pay at a terminal and off you go.

Man I hate these with a passion. I always forget one thing or so, and then every now and then you're selected for a random check, and you feel like a common thief and have to do the walk of shame to the actual register for re-scanning and paying.

Also, the self scanners require you to weigh your fruits & vegetables at the f&v section. Although it seems they're adding scales to the self checkout boots lately, so hopefully I can start using the in-store scanning the way I use Anglo-Saxon self-checkout booths soon - just load up in the shop, scan everything yourself at the end.

Re: Dulles Airport Surprises Passengers with Facial-Recognition Boarding

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According to the Geneva Convention, refugees don't need a visa or travel documents like passports to travel (to make it purposefully more difficult to mess with persecuted people, like Germany did by stamping a "J" in the passport of Jewish citizens so it would be easier for countries who didn't want them to refuse them). I have fears that widespread adoption of systems like this could make air travel for refugees inaccessible if governments really want to.

Re: Dulles Airport Surprises Passengers with Facial-Recognition Boarding

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The scan takes fractions of a second and has shown to be 99 percent accurate during testing Presumably it's 99% effective at matching random faces to the photos -- if a terrorist group has a pool of 1000 stolen passports, with a system that's only 99% effective at maching a random photo, I think they could do much better at finding a person (perhaps with some surgical alterations) that fits in that 1%. The process el…

On most flights within the Schengen area your boarding pass is no more manually checked. That's unless you fly business or are a high value status customer. Instead you just scan your boarding pass / smart phone yourself. I can't imagine that this is in any way slower than a face scan.

I fly from Schiphol with great regularity and my boarding pass is definitely checked every time by a person (as is my passport) right before boarding the plane. Usually the same happens on the return leg, and the majority of my trips are within Schengen.

Re: Dulles Airport Surprises Passengers with Facial-Recognition Boarding

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Once facial recognition becomes commonplace, the impact will be huge. “What were your whereabouts on the night of June 5th?” “I was at home all night.” “You’re lying. We have confirmation your face was recognized at the gas station, grocery store and bank between the hours of 7 and 9pm.” That sends a shiver down my spine.

Maybe don’t lie to the police...

False positives are a thing.

Re: Dulles Airport Surprises Passengers with Facial-Recognition Boarding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On most flights within the Schengen area your boarding pass is no more manually checked. That's unless you fly business or are a high value status customer. Instead you just scan your boarding pass / smart phone yourself. I can't imagine that this is in any way slower than a face scan.

I fly from Schiphol with great regularity and my boarding pass is definitely checked every time by a person (as is my passport) right before boarding the plane. Usually the same happens on the return leg, and the majority of my trips are within Schengen.

I'm actually surprised that Schiphol does that. My informal survey indicates that ex-Eastern European countries tend to check more as do the French.

In Zurich your id is virtually never checked on Schengen flights. Last time I flew through Vienna security wanted to see the boarding pass, but not the ID. Dusseldorf also didn't check when I flew through it last (alas, a few years ago).

Re: Dulles Airport Surprises Passengers with Facial-Recognition Boarding

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>> “It doesn’t matter,” Maryland resident Kim Meekins said of not being informed ahead of time. “You go to different airports and they do different things depending on their technology. If it’s another safety measure to make sure everyone has a safe flight, I’m all for whatever. I didn’t need to be notified ahead of time.” "I'm all for whatever"! The hell does one engage rationally with that ?

By being so used to the security theatre everywhere that is just doesn't even register anymore. They could start doing automated anal probing at passport gates and at least some part of the population would go "meh, if it makes it safer than I'm all for whatever".

Re: Dulles Airport Surprises Passengers with Facial-Recognition Boarding

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post #75

The system then compares the photo to a gallery that includes images of that person—either their passport photo for U.S. citizens or the photo taken of foreign nationals when they entered the country. So those of us with dual nationality, who enter the US on our US passports and leave on our foreign passports, are going to get screwed. Lovely.

I don't see why. You don't show either passport to anyone when leaving the country. Instead they take your photo and compare it to the ones they have on file, which for a dual nationality citizen will include at least your passport photo.

I'm more surprised they don't want to physically stamp your passport. Even though they already have a record of you entering and exiting the country, they've always liked to have physical passport stamps. And losing those makes a material difference in the case where another country cares where you've been.

Re: Dulles Airport Surprises Passengers with Facial-Recognition Boarding

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>> “It doesn’t matter,” Maryland resident Kim Meekins said of not being informed ahead of time. “You go to different airports and they do different things depending on their technology. If it’s another safety measure to make sure everyone has a safe flight, I’m all for whatever. I didn’t need to be notified ahead of time.” "I'm all for whatever"! The hell does one engage rationally with that ?

Frequent fliers are business people, professional people. They fly all the time to get things done. Very unlikely to care about privacy issues. They most likely use several cloud services with no worry at all.

These are the majority of people in the world. HN is a bubble.

Re: Dulles Airport Surprises Passengers with Facial-Recognition Boarding

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The scan takes fractions of a second and has shown to be 99 percent accurate during testing Presumably it's 99% effective at matching random faces to the photos -- if a terrorist group has a pool of 1000 stolen passports, with a system that's only 99% effective at maching a random photo, I think they could do much better at finding a person (perhaps with some surgical alterations) that fits in that 1%. The process el…

I agree that we just need to keep a secure level on flights, although I've come to a conclusion over the last few years. That conclusion is that either Terrorists are not smart enough or they just have an agenda that is being pushed by someone specifically on a specific target for whatever reason.

I'll expand a bit. For the past 5 years I've been travelling every 2 weeks using an airplane. Thats mainly within Europe. I've been to airports within Europe, specifically Santorini Airport, Mykonos Airport, Chania Airport where I've seen things going on that really doesn't make sense, nor it makes sense to my on why terrorist groups wouldnt prefer those kind of airports for their attack. On Mykonos airport 2 years ago, Security check was handled by 2 young police officer in their very early 20's, no supervisor, no metal detectors no nothing. A wheelchair went ahead and they were trying to help the wheelchair to get front and they completely disregarded security. I wasn't searched or anything and I got boarded to a flight going to London. Someone could easily pass any kind of weapon in there. (The airport has since got renovated and prolly it goes with the European standards nowadays).

Santorini Airport 4 years ago to London, again flight going to London, there were so many people waiting and there was only 1 police officer in his late 50's trying to do security checks for hundreds of people. You understand how that system can fail. Again I got no checks on me or anything. Bare in mind both airports I am speaking of had no way to check cabin luggage for anything suspicious, it had to be done by the police officer looking into the bag, and that only was done if he thought that you could be carrying something. I saw him performing it once. (Again this airport has been renovated prolly keeps the European standards now)

Chania airport 1 year ago to Athens, they had around 5 security personel and 1 police officer. A friend of the police officer rocks up with a small hand bag, police officer silently asks him infront of me if he is carrying any firearms with him. He replies yes, gives him the handbag, passes through security and I saw his id he wasn't a police officer but a civilian, the police officer passes the bag behind the counters and proceeds giving it to him after the security check... (Nowadays I dont see police officers around the security but it did happen a year ago)

Thats only 3 airports I've been on and I've seen how easy it is to pass anything in an airplane and 2 of those airplanes were headed to London which is one of the big city capitals and targets. And I am pretty sure there are other places around Europe and other countries that the same thing is happening security wise. And if a civilian like me without resources can see those massive security breaches in a few of the airports he's been to, I am pretty certain that big terrorist groups with massive fundings and people everywhere cause they do have people everywhere, know about those security breaches. It still remains a question to me on why they never used those entrances.

P.S those 3 examples are from Greece, and well thats where I am from and thats where I use to travel a lot (back and forth to London) so thats why my examples are from here. Pretty sure other people have such examples to give.

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