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Re: Generative Art Finds Its Prodigy

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Post by tern »

For anyone interested in the history of generative art and its parent discipline "(new) media art", some historical resources:

- http://generative.net/read/home

- http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/mediaartnet/

- http://userwww.sfsu.edu/swilson/book/infoartsbook.html

- http://archive.aec.at/, and https://s3.amazonaws.com/arena-attachments/139740/8aec5cb9da...

- http://dada.compart-bremen.de/

- http://turbulence.org/

- http://neural.it/ (magazine)

- http://rhizome.org/art/artbase/

- http://www.nettime.org/ (classic net.art mailing list)

- http://we-make-money-not-art.com/ (previous-generation blog)

- http://www.creativeapplications.net/ (current generation blog)

Referring to Naon as a "prodigy" is a deeply out-of-context claim.

Re: Generative Art Finds Its Prodigy

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Post by spot »

tern wrote: post #91

For anyone interested in the history of generative art and its parent discipline "(new) media art", some historical resources: - http://generative.net/read/home - http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/mediaartnet/ - http://userwww.sfsu.edu/swilson/book/infoartsbook.html - http://archive.aec.at/ , and https://s3.amazonaws.com/arena-attachments/139740/8aec5cb9da... - http://dada.compart-bremen.de/ - http://turbulence.org/ - ht…

http://archive.aec.at/prix/ all the way back to 1987. Naon is a tiny blip in an ocean of creativity and ideas.

Re: Generative Art Finds Its Prodigy

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Post by yaw »

tern wrote: post #91

For anyone interested in the history of generative art and its parent discipline "(new) media art", some historical resources: - http://generative.net/read/home - http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/mediaartnet/ - http://userwww.sfsu.edu/swilson/book/infoartsbook.html - http://archive.aec.at/ , and https://s3.amazonaws.com/arena-attachments/139740/8aec5cb9da... - http://dada.compart-bremen.de/ - http://turbulence.org/ - ht…

- http://recodeproject.com/ (reinterpretations of early generative art)

Re: Generative Art Finds Its Prodigy

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Post by hellochar »

rices wrote: post #64

Generative art is a fascinating space - it's in its infancy for sure - I've been getting into it this past year and wrote my first algorithm about a year ago: https://anemy.github.io/concentric/ Like all art, it comes down to who witnesses it, and how it makes them feel. However - there's a definite gap between seeing something in real life versus digitally which I'd like to see Naon bridge. There's a large community…

Concentric looks really great! It actually has decent variation

Re: Generative Art Finds Its Prodigy

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Post by holdenc »

jrowen wrote: post #78
holdenc wrote: post #68

If you want to understand art since Cezanne, and especially after 1945, you need to understand the modernist idea of the meta-narrative. It works like this -- prior to the loosening up of gesture in painting, the narrative was whatever was depicted. Maybe it was Washington Crossing the Delaware, or Napoleon Crossing the Alps. Pictures told stories directly. Beginning with impressionist painting, and following through…

This feels too prescriptive. Can you really create such a sweeping narrative (of the meta-narrative) encompassing the entire world of "art" over the past 75 years? The meta-narrative is great but it's not everything. Personally I'm not very inspired by the Newman piece, and the bit about the masking tape makes it only marginally more interesting to me - it doesn't necessarily tell a story, it just reveals the techniq…

I actually prefer your art to the art shown in the article. But, I would not call your artwork generative. However, it is programatic and animated. And could be easily created by the ideas of op art. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op_art Op art, like your art, is created out of a fascination for illusory space and patterns. It's a footnote to modernist and geometric abstract painting.

The background you provide on the piece informs it well. And a viewer could deduce the piece was made by a fascination with simple formal relationships. This to me is the backstory, and the meta-narrative.

Re: Generative Art Finds Its Prodigy

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Post by Jupe »

TuringTest wrote: post #42
wool_gather wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've experienced what you're talking about as maybe the fundamental challenge in making computer-based art. Computers love to follow rules. Come up with some interesting rules, and they will spit out interesting pictures/music. It's much much harder to figure out how to tell the computer "okay, but break the rule just a little bit, at the appropriate time". Codifying breaking the rules as its own rule is...well, so f…

Maybe there's an opportunity to combine computers and hand-made choices. Art using a mixture of several generative tools and manual tweaks by the artist on the final result could achieve that goal of "breaking the rules just a little bit", especially if the generative tools are parametrical and easy to customize, maybe with direct manipulation on the generated canvas.

Like this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/abstractusinterruptus/

Re: Generative Art Finds Its Prodigy

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Post by tern »

tern wrote: post #91

For anyone interested in the history of generative art and its parent discipline "(new) media art", some historical resources: - http://generative.net/read/home - http://www.medienkunstnetz.de/mediaartnet/ - http://userwww.sfsu.edu/swilson/book/infoartsbook.html - http://archive.aec.at/ , and https://s3.amazonaws.com/arena-attachments/139740/8aec5cb9da... - http://dada.compart-bremen.de/ - http://turbulence.org/ - ht…

- https://web.archive.org/web/20081212130233/http://www.genera...

Re: Generative Art Finds Its Prodigy

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Post by tern »

gedy wrote: post #74
ryandrake wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not an art history major, but why does a work of art require a backstory? Or a meta-story? Why is a screensaver not “real” art? It seems so limiting. That’s a beautiful painting and the painter is very talented, but there is no existential dread evident in the brush strokes, no social commentary on the intersection between class warfare and feminism, so it’s not “real art”. Who makes these rules? It’s like when y…

> Why can’t art just be appreciated itself, without all this “story” baggage? Because that eliminates the in-group, experts, elite, etc. Hence all the "rules" and terms like "outsider art", etc

You can similarly ask, 'how could art exist without "in-group, experts, elite, etc."'? Why in the world would anyone create all these bizarre objects?

Re: Generative Art Finds Its Prodigy

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Post by tern »

Breefield wrote: post #83
obituary_latte wrote: post #18

Joshua Davis [0] has been doing generative art (mostly Flash/actionscript) since late 90’s. Took a class of his once and it was amazing (as is his art). If OP subject is prodigy, Davis is the grandfather. https://joshuadavis.com

Came here to say this

In the same tradition: http://mariuswatz.com/
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