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Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#91

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> You sit down in a warm or hot room What is wrong with airconditioning?

I am not sure about OP's reasoning, but I personally find it a bit 'motivating' to study in a slightly not-so-comfortable environment. I mean, it gives me sense that I am actually determined and am working hard. It also reminds me of my college days when even finding an air-conditioned room anywhere was just not possible.

Could also give you the feeling of being uncomfortable. Then when you are struggling working through a problem you get so frustrated. And think "If only it weren't so damn hot in here." Then all you can think about is the heat, and you are so lost it cannot be returned. So then you give up for the day, and really haven't accomplished anything.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#92
Why? What purpose do you have for textbook physics? Think of what you're going to do with that knowledge. Are you going to become a physics teacher? Do you just want to impress "a bunch of folks on the internet"?

The time in your life for grinding on textbook knowledge is over. That was age 0 to {insert age at end of college/academic career} non-inclusive.

Think very carefully where you want to spend your motivation and discipline.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#93
If you are located in Los Angeles, I would recommend looking into the Michael Miller math class series taught thru UCLA extension. This is an 11 session 7-10pm math graduate level math course.

I've taken courses on Algebraic Number Theory, Lie Groups and Lie Algebras, and Measure Theory. It's hard, but definitely doable. It is definitely more on the abstract math side, which I enjoy a lot. It is very different than the practical engineering-focused math I learned in school.

One of the students has an introduction into what you can expect. http://boffosocko.com/2015/09/22/dr-michael-miller-math-clas...

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#94
post #30

Get a real pen and paper, get a real physical book, sit and solve problems with pen and paper for hours every day for a few months. Then you will pass the exams.

This is exactly right. I elaborate on the method in my response.

While I agree with you, and love aj7's post, I'm going to push back slightly on the pen and paper.

I used to do all my work (solutions to problems, notes) using pen and (plain! not lined) paper. However I realized a couple of years ago that becoming fluent in LaTeX was a better option for me. The reason is that, with the proof neatly typeset, and the ability to re-work and edit repeatedly without making a mess, I found that I think more precisely and systematically. I still do scratch work on paper, but writing up a clean copy as I go is very beneficial.

In addition to those reasons, the other hugely important one is that my notes are now in git, I can grep them, and they don't add to the pile of objects that must be dealt with when moving to a new home.

For best results you need to make a nice LaTeX set up. I use the Skim PDF reader so that it autorefreshes on file save, and set up a Makefile and make it so the PDF is recompiled on every file save. But whatever works for you, I'm sure there are easier setups.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#95

Why? What purpose do you have for textbook physics? Think of what you're going to do with that knowledge. Are you going to become a physics teacher? Do you just want to impress "a bunch of folks on the internet"? The time in your life for grinding on textbook knowledge is over. That was age 0 to {insert age at end of college/academic career} non-inclusive. Think very carefully where you want to spend your motivation…

Understanding the "Why" important. However, it seems clear that he/she has already answered that question, and now they are trying to figure out the "how". Knowledge is power no matter where it comes from - a textbook, the internet, a master or simply studying the natural world. Seems odd to discourage someone from expanding their understanding of the world.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#96
I studied Mechanical Engineering but gradually ended up as a full fledged software engineer from one who wrote ME related programs. So I have sort of always been in the midst of mid level maths and physics, but, as it happens, I lost it all except for some fundamental concepts. I had a similar epiphany as yours in my early thirties and this is what I did and it helped me greatly.

First of all, you have to realize that you are learning these stuff only for the sake of learning, as an intellectual challenge, rather than making a career out of it. So, you need not follow a pattern that is made for late teen students attending university. That includes not needing to religiously solve problems in textbooks, especially the numerical ones. If you have to, solve the conceptual ones. Further, you wouldn't even need textbooks.

What you do need, however, is a perspective. Unlike university students whose primary aim is to pass the exams that matter, graduate and get a job, for which they learn by rote, what you need is to understand the reason why learning certain topics is essential. You need to learn about the topics first in order to appreciate whatever you will encounter later. For this purpose, well regarded popular science books should be your first choice. Any worthy textbook will also give a bit of perspective in the preface, early chapters or the appendix, but it can never compete with popsci books which are designed for the purpose of elucidating academically complex stuff to an otherwise educated public. Good popsci books provide enough stimulation to your mind. They prime you for further, formal exploration of the topic.

Often times what happens is that highly technical topics such as those you mentioned look attractive from the outside but get painfully dry, boring and difficult once you pick up a text book and start studying from it. What I realized is that for many topics what I really crave is a deep understanding as an educated person as opposed to deep academic knowledge. For such topics popsci books regarded as 'hard' are better than proper textbooks. These days, with the availability of opencoursewares, you can simply watch a few lectures before deciding if its worth your time delving deep into the topics with a textbook. The textbooks are often listed in the course content, and we all know where we can find the appropriate pdf versions.

These books worked for me. They are in my home library and I try to flip through some of them once a year.

For maths, books like Prime Obsession by John Derbyshire, e The story of a Number by Eli Moar, Number by Tobias Dantzig, The Unknown Quantity by John Derbyshire provide good orientation for number theory, analysis & calculus and algebra. The second book might be tough to finish as its really really deep for a thin book. You might also look at books like God Created the Integers by Hawking, The Calculus Gallery by William Dunham that curate interesting and historically important results, where original works are often reproduced.

For physics, my goto book (which I have never finished) would be The Road To Reality by Roger Penrose. This self contained 1000+ page monster builds up to advanced physics in a methodical fashion from scratch. The first half deals with all the necessary maths from elementary to advanced and the second half covers physics. It has chapters with names such as calculus on manifolds, hypercomplex numbers, the entangled quantum world, gravity's role in quantum state reduction etc which sound pretty deep and complex for a recreational learner. Beyond that, you can also read books such as The Evolution of Physics by Einstein himself, Thirty Years that Shook Physics by George Gamow to get a historical perspective on the development of advanced physics. For a midway academic treatment, you can read Feynman's lecture on Physics volumes.

For discrete maths, books like The Algorithm Design by Skiena and Algorithm Design by Kleinberg and Tardos should serve you well. They don't push you into a maze of mathematics like Knuth books do, or a maze of source code like CLRS or Sedgewick books do, but show you the practical side of things with limited code and pseudocode. That said, Knuth's The Art of Computer Programming 4A Combinatorial Algorithms Part 1 will just blow your mind.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the textbook is in its 4th printing or so, the answers are correct It's terrifying that it takes 4 printings before the answers should be considered trustworthy...

Do you write bug free code?

Is publishing a book the same thing as writing code?

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#98
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure about OP's reasoning, but I personally find it a bit 'motivating' to study in a slightly not-so-comfortable environment. I mean, it gives me sense that I am actually determined and am working hard. It also reminds me of my college days when even finding an air-conditioned room anywhere was just not possible.

Could also give you the feeling of being uncomfortable. Then when you are struggling working through a problem you get so frustrated. And think "If only it weren't so damn hot in here." Then all you can think about is the heat, and you are so lost it cannot be returned. So then you give up for the day, and really haven't accomplished anything.

Exactly, your mileage may vary, but my mindset has to be completely free from distractions to be productive.

The library on my uni when I was in Math undergrad did not have AC at the beggining but was the only place where I could do any work, it was extremely difficult and I am sure impacted my progress.

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#99
I'm learning Japanese at 35 with the goal of becoming business-fluent in five years. I decided to be very systematic about it.

Anki is a very good memorization tool, I would use it aggressively.

I study for one hour every day before work. Math probably requires more time to grind through hard problems.

I would hire a tutor or find a partner.

A few things I'd recommend:

write down why you're doing what you're doing.

write down the gap in your abilities you'd like to fill so you can track your progress

don't compare yourself to others, compare yourself to yourself.

It is very possible to develop engineering math chops late in life (I did it!) but outside of a fulltime education context it requires organization and sacrifice.

edit: on the bright side, I'm so pleased with my current language learning pace that I intend to double down on it and make it a lifelong commitment. It really feels good to learn something new and interesting. I'm eyeballing self-learning an EE degree next, so I'm curious how it goes for you

Re: Ask HN: How do I learn math/physics in my thirties?

#100
I could say I'm in the same boat. Always wanted to learn such things, but never found the motivation to do so in an effective way.

I picked up various books and different learning strategies along the years but couldn't move forward cause I could not see any practical use for what I was trying to learn.

Fast forward a few years and now I'm learning both physics and mathematics.

What changed is I started working with 3D development for the furniture industry and a while later I got interested in woodworking.

Started doing some woodworking projects and had to learn some basic geometry and trigonometry to calculate cuts.

Now I'm interested in mechanical machines and electrical machines. To be able to build my own machines I have to learn some physics and other branches of mathematics and that's what I have been doing for the past months.

I probably cannot work with formal physics or mathematics but I was able to learn a lot of the concepts behind the formulas and calculations and I believe that is much more important, at least, at first.

The bottom line is you need to find something that motivates you and make you want to learn. That's how it worked for me.

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