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Italy? I don't believe your experience was universal.
I experienced nothing but exceptional service in Italy.
To be fair, it really varies so much between regions and even towns. Restaurants are usually ok, but regular shops in big cities... eh.
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I was mainly referring to general wage discrimination across all industries, but here's a few references for the restaurant industry from 10 seconds of googling: http://rocunited.org/publications/tipped-over-the-edge-gende... – The industry follows a conscious business model of confining women to the lower-paid positions within restaurants. Women are hired for only 19 percent of chef positions, for example, even thou…
> women are hired for only 19 percent of chef positions, for example, even though traditionally most women are more likely to do a majority of the cooking at home. This is a ridiculous statement. Cooking at home has zero to do with going to culinary school and becoming a chef. If you visit most restaurant kitchens -- the line cooks and dishwashers are almost always men (or at least 80%+ of them,) based on my experien…
> If you visit most restaurant kitchens -- the line cooks and dishwashers are almost always men
So your argument is that the discrimination begins much earlier in the chain?
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As a counter counter point, there are places which don't take tips, and they offer some of the best customer service in the world. Japan is a good example. In the food service industry, establishments will usually put their own service charge which they think is reasonable onto the bill (usually a small amount). They don't expect (many will refuse to take) further tips because they price the cost to serve into it.
My example is clearly assuming the customer is in the United States. I don't think we can copy a few things about Japan's food service industry and expect to have a similar dining experience here. Culture is too complex for that to work. Japan's entire service industry always leaves me pleased.
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Counter point -- Tipping is a way to insure excellent service on return visits to service oriented establishments.
As a counter counter point, there are places which don't take tips, and they offer some of the best customer service in the world. Japan is a good example. In the food service industry, establishments will usually put their own service charge which they think is reasonable onto the bill (usually a small amount). They don't expect (many will refuse to take) further tips because they price the cost to serve into it.
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So, I assume you never tip when traveling?
Of course I tip when traveling. Not providing a normal tip when accepting a service is breaking the social contract and anti-social. I do tip more at places I frequent.
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Of course I tip when traveling. Not providing a normal tip when accepting a service is breaking the social contract and anti-social. I do tip more at places I frequent.
Then you are conceding the point you are countering.
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I've had reverse experience. Service was better in US than UK.
Better in what way?
As someone who has waited tables as a kid, I know why they did all those things in the US more often. People often tip more on alcohol and you can also get your table turned over more quickly during your shift. In the UK there's no incentive to get more alcohol to tables nor to turn over the table.
Now, I'm not going to explain myself or reply any further, as I'm getting DV.
I hate tipping culture. When I was young and a waitress in college, I noticed horrible racism from waiters who treated minorities badly due to tipping stereotypes. Please just get rid of it for living wages.
The world is not fair.
I hate tipping culture. When I was young and a waitress in college, I noticed horrible racism from waiters who treated minorities badly due to tipping stereotypes. Please just get rid of it for living wages.
Have you been in countries without tipping culture? Almost all of them have much worse service quality.