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Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Ugh, people are still using Skype?

You know that Skype is still the better cousin? Some of us have to use Skype4Business (previously Lync) at work. After you do that you get a boner at how good the consumer Skype is in comparison. E.g. in consumer Skype if you send a message you can be relatively sure the other party receives it!!!! What a great feature.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Not the version I use for work. If you close the conversation, the history is gone, unless you fancy digging it up in Outlook, which of course you don't, because the way it is stored there is terrible.

Just a guess, but you may be using Skype for Business, which is a completely different product with just a similarity in name.

Teams is much better than SfB, and I think if your org pays for SfB it also has access to Teams.

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Sure, but the compliance requirement is that logs need to be automatically exported and archived by the IT department, without an option for the user to avoid giving logs. What does E2E benefit you at that point? The message contents, which are what E2E protects, are being copied off to some separate server. (I'd buy the argument "You should design all your protocols E2E first, and then add logging/escrow, instead of…

What does E2E benefit you at that point? Message confidentiality between businesses. Did you perhaps think SfB only works between users in the same organization?

> Did you perhaps think SfB only works between users in the same organization?

Yes? Doesn't the client connect to exactly one server [pool], which hosts exactly one organization?

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Just to get a sense of the track record here, Signal Protocol powers: * Facebook/WhatsApp * Google/Allo * Microsoft/Skype * Signal Signal is also the basis for the protocols for Wire (Proteus) and Matrix (Olm).

Can't say I am really happy about it. The more the Signal protocol is used the more money is spend on attacking it.

"If you haven't been hacked by the Chinese you got to ask yourself, does the shit you're doing really even matter?"

I prefer for Signal to be attacked and to matter than to be unattacked and to be irrelevant.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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While on topic of Skype: My God the latest Skype design update is abysmal, whoever come up with that horrible mess should be fired and never touch any design or management role at all. And it’s not only design but the ux is horrible too, when you switch between conversation - it does not focus on the chat box field so you can start typing right away, instead you have to click it first. This is a basic stuff for a cha…

> on iPhone X when you accidentally click top left corner of the phone where the clock is - for some inexplicable reason the whole conversation scrolls all the way to the top, which is incredibly annoying! That's by design and standard iOS behaviour (it has been there for years). Tapping anywhere on the system toolbar (i.e. where the clock, wifi, signal strength indicators are) brings the main scrollable view to its…

Who at Apple thought this was intuitive?

What's two flicks got that this doesn't? Or maybe if a shortcut was desired for extremely long views, why not make it a double tap?

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but the compliance requirement is that logs need to be automatically exported and archived by the IT department, without an option for the user to avoid giving logs. What does E2E benefit you at that point? The message contents, which are what E2E protects, are being copied off to some separate server. (I'd buy the argument "You should design all your protocols E2E first, and then add logging/escrow, instead of…

What does E2E benefit you at that point? Message confidentiality between businesses. Did you perhaps think SfB only works between users in the same organization?

Oh, that makes sense. What does it currently use to authenticate between businesses - MS accounts or public PKI or something? Or is it trust-on-first-use?

I'm having trouble finding all the docs for setting up Skype for Business federation but it looks like the latter. Since "end" here I think means the business and not the individual user account (for the same reason - all the compliance logs, all the password reset abilities, etc. applies to conversations with other businesses), if they do trust-on-first-use certificate validation of the other business, isn't that already as E2E as you're going to get?

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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> on iPhone X when you accidentally click top left corner of the phone where the clock is - for some inexplicable reason the whole conversation scrolls all the way to the top, which is incredibly annoying! That's by design and standard iOS behaviour (it has been there for years). Tapping anywhere on the system toolbar (i.e. where the clock, wifi, signal strength indicators are) brings the main scrollable view to its…

I just tried it on this webpage, and you’re correct! I really dislike behavior like this that is useful to a few people but is far more likely to be encountered accidentally and feel buggy.

You're kidding right? It's been a feature of iOS for what feels like forever, and it's literally the one thing I miss most when switching to Android. I have witnessed first hand, very un-tech savvy iOS users using the feature, as well as people confused (my daughters) why the same action on Android doesn't product the same result.

I thought this was one of Apple's "protected" features that everyone used/loved - guess not!

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> on iPhone X when you accidentally click top left corner of the phone where the clock is - for some inexplicable reason the whole conversation scrolls all the way to the top, which is incredibly annoying! That's by design and standard iOS behaviour (it has been there for years). Tapping anywhere on the system toolbar (i.e. where the clock, wifi, signal strength indicators are) brings the main scrollable view to its…

Who at Apple thought this was intuitive? What's two flicks got that this doesn't? Or maybe if a shortcut was desired for extremely long views, why not make it a double tap?

Two flicks ?!?

Try 4-5 (or more) flicks and you also have to wait for the scrolling to happen (at the speed of your flick) .... contrast that with one "press" on iOS - it's not even close - I use the feature daily.

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