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Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by cyberpunk0 »

spiderfarmer wrote: post #75
lvillani wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on iPhone X when you accidentally click top left corner of the phone where the clock is - for some inexplicable reason the whole conversation scrolls all the way to the top, which is incredibly annoying! That's by design and standard iOS behaviour (it has been there for years). Tapping anywhere on the system toolbar (i.e. where the clock, wifi, signal strength indicators are) brings the main scrollable view to its…

It has been for years. I love it and miss this on Android (and MacOS as well).

No thanks

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by lev99 »

alkonaut wrote: post #69
ancientworldnow wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord does all of this, though it's not E2E encrypted, and does it all with a fantastic UX.

For some reason having the (non business) Skype is not hard to sell in a big "old school" enterprise, because it's microsoft. I'd have a much harder time selling Discord because of how they market themselves. They could make "discord for business" that is literally the same app and have great success. Other than that my only complaint is that it's a bit electron-y.

If your in a position where you could convince an organization to use Discord for Business you could probably convince them to use Slack or Hipchat, both of which are better than Skype.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by goldenkey »

usaphp wrote: post #14

While on topic of Skype: My God the latest Skype design update is abysmal, whoever come up with that horrible mess should be fired and never touch any design or management role at all. And it’s not only design but the ux is horrible too, when you switch between conversation - it does not focus on the chat box field so you can start typing right away, instead you have to click it first. This is a basic stuff for a cha…

Skype should be renamed to "Skype--" in the US. After MS bought it, it became a buggy piece of crap. Every new version had more useless features and was more prone to crashing/freezing up than the last. Screenshare and the other golden features became riddled with issues. Skype was once great. During the period in which it was down for "maintanence" many believe that spying measures were added. In any case, there are much better options these days considering how bloated and buggy the actual client-side software has become.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by megaman22 »

dgzl wrote: post #50
usaphp wrote: post #14

While on topic of Skype: My God the latest Skype design update is abysmal, whoever come up with that horrible mess should be fired and never touch any design or management role at all. And it’s not only design but the ux is horrible too, when you switch between conversation - it does not focus on the chat box field so you can start typing right away, instead you have to click it first. This is a basic stuff for a cha…

I'll second this. I recently moved to a project that uses Outlook/Skype/Exchange for everything, and Skype is the bane of my experience. Why do I need a window for contacts separate from the actual conversations? Why do I need email recaps of every conversion, often times with redundant messages? Why can't I have a group chat that's intended to be a permanent 'room', and not just a collection of people who are virtua…

That's definitely Skype for Business, and it is a trainwreck. It's also standing on foundations that are at least 15 years old, from the pre-Slack era of instant messaging - it works essentially the same as AIM, or SameTime, or Pidgin, or any of the IM clients of that era.

Good news for you, SFB is most likely going away soon; Microsoft is seemingly hell bent on rolling all of the things into Teams.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

alkonaut wrote: post #54
ryanpcmcquen wrote: post #3

Ugh, people are still using Skype?

Still looking for something that is free, does (persistent) group chat, voice calls, file sharing, and group voice calls. Bonus if it shares screen. Have tried various alternatives but actually not yet found anything that works as good as skype, despite having terrible UX. The sound quality is second to none and file sharing etc usually "just works".

And it's not tied to a phone number.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by temp-dude-87844 »

ryanpcmcquen wrote: post #3

Ugh, people are still using Skype?

Anecdotally, everyone I knew on Skype has already migrated somewhere else and their account is now dormant, with the most frequent destination being Discord, which has the same kind of pseudonymous usernames. Some were active in 'gaming' communities, but others just wanted to keep at least one service where you can still chat without having to give out personal details. With the decline and staling of old-style IM networks, Discord has infringed on this space and is where most growth is taking place.

In most online communities, there will always be a place for an identity provider that doesn't require you to use a full name, and/or doesn't bind your login to your phone number. The addition of easy-to-use E2E crypto has been lagging among services like this, so this addition is welcome.

Skype still has a lot of brand recognition and mindshare among the older generations, and a large installed base, and so it remains useful for incidental chat in scenarios that Discord hasn't actively pursued, or situations which people's assumptions and associations with Discord's perceived nature would hinder.

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by brynjolf »

usaphp wrote: post #14

While on topic of Skype: My God the latest Skype design update is abysmal, whoever come up with that horrible mess should be fired and never touch any design or management role at all. And it’s not only design but the ux is horrible too, when you switch between conversation - it does not focus on the chat box field so you can start typing right away, instead you have to click it first. This is a basic stuff for a cha…

They removed the search option åer conversation as well and made it match everything as long as it is written in the new client, aka totally utterly useless now. It annoys me so much!

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by tremon »

geofft wrote: post #48
giancarlostoro wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

E2E doesn't mean no logs, your Skype logs can usually be exported locally.

Sure, but the compliance requirement is that logs need to be automatically exported and archived by the IT department, without an option for the user to avoid giving logs. What does E2E benefit you at that point? The message contents, which are what E2E protects, are being copied off to some separate server. (I'd buy the argument "You should design all your protocols E2E first, and then add logging/escrow, instead of…

What does E2E benefit you at that point?

Message confidentiality between businesses. Did you perhaps think SfB only works between users in the same organization?

Re: Signal partners with Microsoft to bring end-to-end encryption to Skype

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Post by cJ0th »

tptacek wrote: post #45

Just to get a sense of the track record here, Signal Protocol powers: * Facebook/WhatsApp * Google/Allo * Microsoft/Skype * Signal Signal is also the basis for the protocols for Wire (Proteus) and Matrix (Olm).

Can't say I am really happy about it. The more the Signal protocol is used the more money is spend on attacking it.
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