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California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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How so? Isn't microdosing done with LSD?

Microdosing can be done with any psychedelic. It doesn't do anything since microdosing itself is unscientific, but you can try!

Well it's unscientific because there are no scientific studies as it's illegal.

There is also no agreement as to what constitutes microcoding afaik.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

#92

I wonder if this could be the birth of the legal microdosing industry?

Microdosing is the homeopathy of psychedelics. Despite being a meme for years now there has been approximately one blind study, and that one done by an amateur, gwern: https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing tl;dr it's bogus. Lots of anecdotal reports of its efficacy though, but again, why don't these amateur recreational users blind their doses? They're prone to placebo otherwise.

Just because there aren't studies on something does not mean it is not true. Science lags, and citizen scientists are left to explore and confer with each other to find what works and what does not. It is ignorant to ignore and belittle the progress in many fields that occurs before it is formally verified.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

#93
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I mean I was pretty happy out here in the Midwest but you guys might pull me in with this one

Some places in the snow belt are so civilized the city plows your sidewalks and you just take care of the driveway. Easy peasy. No responsibility to the neighbors.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

#94
post #17

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> Humans used psychoactive substances for centuries, usually under the supervision of a shaman or some type of religious figure to undergo a journey. I don't have a position on legalizing psychoactive mushrooms, but I don't think this is a good argument. For example, humans also used lead to sweeten wine for centuries, but that's not evidence that lead is harmless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate#Sweet…

Just to complete this line of reasoning -- the grandparent comment does not distinguish between good and bad effects of psychedelic mushrooms. It's easy (even reasonable) to skip over that distinction with mushrooms, because their bad effects are few and minor. Mushrooms and leaded wine both have effects that their users long considered good. The difference between them, for purposes of this argument, is that for lea…

> because their bad effects are few and minor.

I have issues with this. I've personally had very bad mushroom trips that have had effects that lingered for a year or longer. I'm not saying keep them illegal, but I don't for one second believe it's a black and white issue, either.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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post #63

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Do neighborhood kids go door to door offering to shovel driveways for $ still?

Sometimes, but not like it used to be. I see plenty of adults with plows soliciting door to door too. Usually I see kids soliciting through Facebook groups nowadays. Well, their parents do it for them.

Wow, I'm in my mid-twenties and I sound like my Grandpa.

I suppose my kids one day will go door to door renting out our family robot to move the snow.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

#96

I wonder if this could be the birth of the legal microdosing industry?

Microdosing is the homeopathy of psychedelics. Despite being a meme for years now there has been approximately one blind study, and that one done by an amateur, gwern: https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing tl;dr it's bogus. Lots of anecdotal reports of its efficacy though, but again, why don't these amateur recreational users blind their doses? They're prone to placebo otherwise.

It is very much not the homeopathy of psychedelics. Homeopathic medicine is where you dramatically dilute the medicine to the point where there's no appreciable amount of active medicine in the dose. There's some theory that the water molecules "remember" the medicine, or some such stupid bullshit. A microdose of psychedelics (for example, https://thethirdwave.co/microdosing-lsd-mushrooms/) is misnamed. It's about 1/10 of a normal trip (a decidose?) Enough to feel buzzed, not enough to blast off into outer space.

As a matter of fact, I took a microdose of shrooms an hour ago. I don't need to blind my dose, I can tell when I'm buzzed. I'm not arguing that it's noticeably improving my intelligence, performance, stamina, or anything, but it is most definitely making my afternoon more enjoyable.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

#97
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Humans used psychoactive substances for centuries, usually under the supervision of a shaman or some type of religious figure to undergo a journey. I don't have a position on legalizing psychoactive mushrooms, but I don't think this is a good argument. For example, humans also used lead to sweeten wine for centuries, but that's not evidence that lead is harmless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead(II)_acetate#Sweet…

Just to complete this line of reasoning -- the grandparent comment does not distinguish between good and bad effects of psychedelic mushrooms. It's easy (even reasonable) to skip over that distinction with mushrooms, because their bad effects are few and minor. Mushrooms and leaded wine both have effects that their users long considered good. The difference between them, for purposes of this argument, is that for lea…

Disagree. Mushrooms that have had mold grow on them are pretty much guaranteed to make you sick and guarantee a bad experience. So it is possible to have objectively bad mushrooms in nearly the same way as you can have objectively bad wine.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to complete this line of reasoning -- the grandparent comment does not distinguish between good and bad effects of psychedelic mushrooms. It's easy (even reasonable) to skip over that distinction with mushrooms, because their bad effects are few and minor. Mushrooms and leaded wine both have effects that their users long considered good. The difference between them, for purposes of this argument, is that for lea…

Disagree. Mushrooms that have had mold grow on them are pretty much guaranteed to make you sick and guarantee a bad experience. So it is possible to have objectively bad mushrooms in nearly the same way as you can have objectively bad wine.

Lead poisoning has permanent negative effects, mushrooms not so much.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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Sensible Move - Magic Mushrooms are a truly wonderful very safe natural drug which does not harm others, like violence inducing Alcohol. Some suffer bad trips especially Women, but like a bad dream soon passes, with no harm done. One positive of the damp weather in Wales UK is abundant Magic Mushrooms in the Welsh Valleys in September to October. I took tens of thousands age 17 to 21 then grew out of them, fond memories though. The most I laughed in my entire life was watching Airplane on MM literally rolling on the floor creased up, Steve Martin films like the Jerk were also good on MM. Idiotic UK government made them an illegal Class I drug.

Re: California Could Legalize Magic Mushrooms in 2018

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You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands. Buying mushrooms illegally from a legit dealer in the US means making sure they have several uniform bags of the product. You want to make sure they're grown safely in a lab or farm. There are too many people who will go out and just pick mushrooms, which is incredibly unsafe. Unless you're an actual mycologist, it's difficult to tell what's s…

> You can currently buy psychoactive mushrooms in stores in The Netherlands. No you can't (anymore). They are illegal since 2008. I remember when they became illegal since me and my friends used to experiment with them, but a few unfortunate accidents/deaths involving tourists combining them with other (illegal) drugs lead to their prohibition. * * https://www.drugsenuitgaan.nl/hulp-en-advies/veel-gestelde-v...

You can buy them in some shops regardless of legality (I get the sense that they only enforce when there has been a recent incident), but you’re right that full mushrooms themselves aren’t legal. They do sell “truffles” which are less-psychoactive but the same thing, legally.
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