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E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by tyrw »

oceanplexian wrote: post #81
tyrw wrote: post #6

I ran an ecommerce company for about a year, and one click checkout was the least of our concerns when it came to Amazon. The speed of delivery, prime benefits, brand recognition, and willingness to lose money on many if not most items are absolutely brutal to compete against. I'm glad one click checkout will be more broadly available, but it's probably not going to make much of a difference...

> The speed of delivery, prime benefits, brand recognition, and willingness to lose money on many if not most items are absolutely brutal to compete against. What I'm hopeful of is that (barring evil patents or monopolies) all of those things should be able to be outsourced a third party vendor or service. Hopefully in the future you will be able to simply contract out alternative delivery service, or drone delivery,…

That is what's happening today, offered by the only company with the scale to do it: Amazon (It's called FBA). Then when they see your products are selling particularly well, they stock them, undercut you, and put you out of business.

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by jsjohnst »

dboreham wrote: post #15

I have been buying from Amazon for 20 years and have not once used 1-Click.

I'm in virtually the same boat as you. I've been a prime customer for over a decade even and have easily spent over $500k with them (lots of business purchases) throughout the years, yet I've used 1-click purchase a single digit number of times.

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by objclxt »

octalmage wrote: post #55
jaymzcampbell wrote: post #5

Setting aside the madness that is the patent itself ever being granted, what I found most interesting on that post was that this could now (possibly) become an actual web standard in the future: > the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) has started writing a draft proposal for one click buying methods. The W3C site itself has a number of web payment related proposals in progress[1]. The Payment Request API, in particular…

I used the Payment Request API in a project and it was great. Chrome currently has it implemented for Android, you call a JavaScript function, a prompt appears asking the user if they'd like to pay, they enter the security code and hit pay. All this feature actually does it give you the users credit card, phone number, and billing/shipping addresses. You still have to give that information to someone like Stripe. The…

> All this feature actually does it give you the users credit card, phone number, and billing/shipping addresses. You still have to give that information to someone like Stripe.

I used to sit on the working group for Payment Request - the primary intention of Payment Request is to get rid of checkout forms and parallel implementations of the same logic. Right now most for most implementations that means credit card entry, but the standard is designed to support any type of payment.

So if I'm running an eCommerce site and want to support PayPal, Apple Pay, and Android Pay I shouldn't need to implement three discrete SDKs and APIs - I can instead implement Payment Request (although you'll still need to process the payment information output by each of those payment mechanisms separately. Ultimately for many merchants the implementation of Payment Request will be abstracted away by their payment processor, such as Stripe).

However, there is a parallel standard to Payment Request, called Payment Handler, which is designed to allow third party payment providers to write service-worker-esque plugins to browsers to take payment directly. They're intended to work together, but it's possible for a browser to implement just Payment Request to replace autofill if they so choose.

There's also a lot of other work going on at the W3C around payment, but Payment Request and Payment Handler have the most support from browser vendors and are as such the most actively developed.

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by traek »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #82
octalmage wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used the Payment Request API in a project and it was great. Chrome currently has it implemented for Android, you call a JavaScript function, a prompt appears asking the user if they'd like to pay, they enter the security code and hit pay. All this feature actually does it give you the users credit card, phone number, and billing/shipping addresses. You still have to give that information to someone like Stripe. The…

Do you know if this is being used in iOS Safari for Touch ID in the browser too? Or is that something non-standard?

That's the non-standard Apple Pay JavaScript API [1].

[1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/applepayjs

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by gizmodo59 »

BatFastard wrote: post #76
Cyph0n wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Software patents may be "strange", but patents are very useful in the rest of the engineering world.

Agreed, years of research and brilliant ideas should be protected. However one click shopping is a bit obvious.

Not to sound condescending but the following phrase

"years of research and brilliant ideas should be protected"

can never adequately define what must be patented and what must not be. An brilliant idea need not take years of research. Even the interpretation of the word brilliant is debatable.

PS: I'm not taking any stance with respect to patents. Just saying that it's not black and white.

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by objclxt »

unkown-unknowns wrote: post #69
jaymzcampbell wrote: post #5

Setting aside the madness that is the patent itself ever being granted, what I found most interesting on that post was that this could now (possibly) become an actual web standard in the future: > the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) has started writing a draft proposal for one click buying methods. The W3C site itself has a number of web payment related proposals in progress[1]. The Payment Request API, in particular…

Eons past, the HTTP status code 402 was reserved for future use; "Payment Required". Please to god W3C, take 402 and make it part of that standard! I so wish for us all to be able to respond 402 and have a simple standard way to charge.

Payment Request is a JS / client-side API (it's all about getting payment information from the browser to the website), so HTTP codes don't really come into it.

However, there's a proposed server/HTTP specification that does include it. It lacks the same broad support that Payment Request has, so is still in quite an early stage of development - https://www.w3.org/TR/webpayments-http-api/

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by owenmarshall »

clan wrote: post #77
ams6110 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These days the retailers don't (or shouldn't) store it. They store a token that the payment processor (e.g. Stripe) uses as a key to the card data that they store. If you as a retailer have your checkout page set up properly, the actual card data never hits your server.

That only makes it slightly better. It is still stored at payment provider. Hopefully they are better at safeguarding my data. But if I only supplied a token. with a value I determined I would not have to worry.

> But if I only supplied a token. with a value I determined I would not have to worry.

You mean the username and password for the site you've logged on to? ;-)

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by Moter8 »

TheBiv wrote: post #3

NOTE that the Registered Trademark of "1-Click" will still be valid and owned by Amazon http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4808:d4r...

>This search session has expired. Please start a search session again by clicking on the TRADEMARK icon, if you wish to continue.

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by baybal2 »

octalmage wrote: post #55
jaymzcampbell wrote: post #5

Setting aside the madness that is the patent itself ever being granted, what I found most interesting on that post was that this could now (possibly) become an actual web standard in the future: > the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) has started writing a draft proposal for one click buying methods. The W3C site itself has a number of web payment related proposals in progress[1]. The Payment Request API, in particular…

I used the Payment Request API in a project and it was great. Chrome currently has it implemented for Android, you call a JavaScript function, a prompt appears asking the user if they'd like to pay, they enter the security code and hit pay. All this feature actually does it give you the users credit card, phone number, and billing/shipping addresses. You still have to give that information to someone like Stripe. The…

Well, they are trying to undercut Chinese with web payments, one part why mobile payments took off so well in China is because Tencent and Alibaba took out browser makers out of the equation.

If you open a website that requests your Visa or MasterCard CC data in any Tencent product, it will be blocked unless "their special hack proof API" is used. And yes, they blocked apple pay too

Re: E-commerce will evolve next month as Amazon loses the 1-Click patent

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Post by devmunchies »

tuxxy wrote: post #7
masthead wrote: post #2

Still can't believe that this was a patent!

As someone who has a software patent, you don't want to know what it's like, as an engineer, to see your work get abstracted into generalities for a patent. By the end of it, everything was so generically described that I couldn't even recognize it anymore. This entire system needs to be reworked or thrown away entirely.

> This entire system needs to be reworked

In my mind patents were made to protect inventors and the little guy so that he/she could capitalize on their invention before the market is unleashed. When multi-billion dollar companies are gaining government sanctioned exclusivity to something through a patent, something seems off.

But in this example they weren't a multi-billion dollar company 20 years ago.

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