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Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

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This does not appear to work at all with my screen reader. Accessibility as afterthought, as always. I used to look forward to trying to help people fix their stuff to be accessible, but now I'm just tired of every single fucking thing somebody creates being broken for me because everything is a complete heaping pile of inaccessible garbage and nobody even thinks about accessibility. It's not like there aren't thousa…

It must really suck, and when I work on small(but large) personal projects I feel bad that someone might not be able to use it. What are some good resources to start thinking accessibility first? I remember in the past it was .. a project and a half in and of itself.

personally, I don't feel bad if someone if using a useless screen reader, or an old browser

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

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This does not appear to work at all with my screen reader. Accessibility as afterthought, as always. I used to look forward to trying to help people fix their stuff to be accessible, but now I'm just tired of every single fucking thing somebody creates being broken for me because everything is a complete heaping pile of inaccessible garbage and nobody even thinks about accessibility. It's not like there aren't thousa…

Sorry for the late reply, but this condemning tone just really, really gets old. This is a frigging open source project. Take it or leave it. If you want something, you send a frigging patch. Or you ask nicely.

When literally the first sentence of the project description mentions an "accessible web", I think it's perfectly acceptable to have a condemning tone.

> ORY is a company building and maintaining developer tools for a safer, more accessible web.

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

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Sorry for the late reply, but this condemning tone just really, really gets old. This is a frigging open source project. Take it or leave it. If you want something, you send a frigging patch. Or you ask nicely.

When literally the first sentence of the project description mentions an "accessible web", I think it's perfectly acceptable to have a condemning tone. > ORY is a company building and maintaining developer tools for a safer, more accessible web.

It also says "Please Note: ORY Editor is pre-release" and while we're commited to improve the experience for everyone, this tone definitely doesn't motivate us.

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

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Actually, I would be more confident working with a GPL- or AGPL-licensed product, because enhancements are more likely to go back upstream.

That is right. I just know, that many companies flee from GPL licenses (and more so AGPL). They omit any product involving GPL just to be sure not to get any juristic hassles (if rational or not). Here is the culprit: When no other people invest in enhancements, there is also nothing that can go back upstream. I like free software very much, but I also don't want to be forced to give things free, that I make. Problem…

Any company that arbitrary limit themselves will be at an disadvantage to their competitors. LAMP for example include GPL products and avoiding it can be more costly and time consuming than the alternative (hosting solutions with LAMP for example).

A great example of such competitive environment is game development where you can't let religious fear of licenses get in the way. If a license is compatible with the business model then use it, and if not then try to get the developer to give you an exception. Development time is precious in getting the product released in the right time window and in a stable state. Studios can't afford skipping GPL development tools (which would not be part of the end product) or LGPL libraries (unless constrained by aspects shared by the competition), as the risk to the company from delayed release is significant higher than the cost of having a lawyer go through a license and confirm if it will impact the model for releasing the game. As a result many AAA games are released with a huge list of free and open source libraries.

But if you are an incumbent holder in a market with very little competition, then you can have policy against licenses and do well. What would an extra month of development for iphone cost Apple as a company?

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

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Could you share the profile file and some additional screenshots in the github repo as an issue? That would help a lot identifying the issue.

There is definitely a memory issue. Chrome's task manage shows me your tab at 900MB. Some other issues: - create_content.png takes 37 seconds to load - sea_bg.jpg takes 20 seconds to load

Was this on the blank page, or did you edit some things?

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

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This does not appear to work at all with my screen reader. Accessibility as afterthought, as always. I used to look forward to trying to help people fix their stuff to be accessible, but now I'm just tired of every single fucking thing somebody creates being broken for me because everything is a complete heaping pile of inaccessible garbage and nobody even thinks about accessibility. It's not like there aren't thousa…

Sorry for the late reply, but this condemning tone just really, really gets old. This is a frigging open source project. Take it or leave it. If you want something, you send a frigging patch. Or you ask nicely.

I read my comment again and realized that I could have been mistaken for being affiliated to the project. To be clear, I am not. I'm just one open source maintainer and contributor who gets upset when I (or other amazing people) put out work for free and then am somehow blamed for not doing this or that.

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

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Sorry for the late reply, but this condemning tone just really, really gets old. This is a frigging open source project. Take it or leave it. If you want something, you send a frigging patch. Or you ask nicely.

When literally the first sentence of the project description mentions an "accessible web", I think it's perfectly acceptable to have a condemning tone. > ORY is a company building and maintaining developer tools for a safer, more accessible web.

The definition of "accessible" could be pretty broad. It doesn't have to mean what you have in mind. As I see it, is this WYSIWYG editor making the web more accessible to laypeople who don't know HTML, CSS, etc.? Definitely.

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

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When literally the first sentence of the project description mentions an "accessible web", I think it's perfectly acceptable to have a condemning tone. > ORY is a company building and maintaining developer tools for a safer, more accessible web.

The definition of "accessible" could be pretty broad. It doesn't have to mean what you have in mind. As I see it, is this WYSIWYG editor making the web more accessible to laypeople who don't know HTML, CSS, etc.? Definitely.

> The definition of "accessible" could be pretty broad.

Only if you are trying to play word games. Try googling that exact phrase - accessible web - and see if there are any results that support your point.

Re: Show HN: ORY Editor – A rich editor for the browser, built with React and Redux

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The definition of "accessible" could be pretty broad. It doesn't have to mean what you have in mind. As I see it, is this WYSIWYG editor making the web more accessible to laypeople who don't know HTML, CSS, etc.? Definitely.

> The definition of "accessible" could be pretty broad. Only if you are trying to play word games. Try googling that exact phrase - accessible web - and see if there are any results that support your point.

The tag line did not contain that exact phrase. It said "make the web accessible". Try googling "accessible definition"? Also, they seem to have since changed it to "easy to use", so the intention is clear. If you want to be offended by their use of the original meaning of "accessible", by all means.

EDIT: Okay I retract the "did not contain that exact phrase" part; I thought you were talking about their company's tag line. Anyway, feel free to be mad at the word choice.

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