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What was Syria like before the war

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Re: What was Syria like before the war

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as long as Assad was ruling Assad's secular dictatorship is massively preferable to ISIS rule, especially to the 25% of the Syrian population that are non-Sunni.

Sigh, it seems so surreal now that the Arab Spring was once cheered on by the whole world. Edit: word

Too many people believe in the movie version of the American revolution.

Re: What was Syria like before the war

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Meta-commentary: This is one of the more fascinating threads I have seen on HN. It seems to parallel many of the problems with political discourse in the world today - maybe it's always been like this, but I'm not old enough to know. I would break down the comments into several types: 1) conspiracy theorists who believe in some secret cult that is unilaterally organizing everything 2) trolls - state sponsored or othe…

Nice of you to label everyone who preferes a more isolationist approach to global policy as a "troll"

How open-minded of you.

Re: What was Syria like before the war

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But aren't they stuck in abyss now? If that's the choice, maybe it wasn't a good plan after all.

The current situation is not a stable state, at some point one of the combating sides will win or the country will split into several independent states.

The combating sides include outside parties, so the war could continue until every Syrian is dead and then beyond even that.

Re: What was Syria like before the war

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> Ok, but how do you go from that to islamic state ? How did Trump win the election?

Collusion of the DNC and Hillary campaign to hurt Sanders, Hillary's not ever turning over her work emails when she was done at the State department, Clinton's universal college plan which would bankrupt the United States... and it goes on and on.

Nobody seems to care what Trump does with his emails: https://thenextweb.com/politics/2017/01/26/trump-staffers-in...

More generally, he's been even more disastrous than people campaigning against him expected, up to the point of letting Russian intelligence wander around the Oval Office and take pictures.

Re: What was Syria like before the war

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I wish there were more definite sources detailing what the actual conflict is about. People are giving all sorts of accounts online and it seems to be divided into a few camps: 1) western and sunni middle eastern press: it's all Assad's (government's) fault. People want democracy. Specifically this is supposed to be a response to violent repression of pro-democracy protests from March 2011. Problem: very hard to beli…

Another theory I've seen is that the Iraq war left a huge amount of weapons lying around, plus a large number of Islamists driven out of Iraq into Syria. This aligns with your (2) or (4).

Re: What was Syria like before the war

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Meta-commentary: This is one of the more fascinating threads I have seen on HN. It seems to parallel many of the problems with political discourse in the world today - maybe it's always been like this, but I'm not old enough to know. I would break down the comments into several types: 1) conspiracy theorists who believe in some secret cult that is unilaterally organizing everything 2) trolls - state sponsored or othe…

Nice of you to label everyone who preferes a more isolationist approach to global policy as a "troll" How open-minded of you.

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Re: What was Syria like before the war

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I don't think it's really possible to argue the country is in any way better off than it was before the insurrection. The question is then, what would have been a better solution? Surely as long as Assad was ruling they were stuck (at best) at a local maximum and would have never transitioned to a free democracy without overthrowing the current government.

as long as Assad was ruling Assad's secular dictatorship is massively preferable to ISIS rule, especially to the 25% of the Syrian population that are non-Sunni.

And here we have the last 70 years of United States foreign policy in a nutshell.

Re: What was Syria like before the war

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> trolls - state sponsored or otherwise pushing an anti-humanitarian cause. I've seen this idea brought up a few times here in our community, and have been accused of it at least once for expressing an unpopular opinion. I have such a hard time believing there's state sponsored posters who troll hacker news. It seems extremely tinfoil hat to me. Honestly folks we're not that important.

It's fairly well established that intelligence agencies have active "social media" operations, and that there's paid distributors of "fake news" about. Establishing any particular account as a paid troll is almost impossible, although the moderators might be able to infer things from the login IP addresses if their opsec is bad.

How is it established? What proof of any kind do you have that people are being paid to troll in our corner of the internet? Even if agencies had a presence on social media, what advantage do they having coming to HN and trying to convince a bunch of computer nerds that life was better in Syria under Assad?
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