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Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by vrutkovs »

pkd wrote: post #60
jimmies wrote: post #38

I cannot wait for Unity to die, and now it does. I was not very happy when they decided to make Unity mac-like by moving the menu to the top bar. It has to be the most idiotic decision around for anyone who has multiple monitors. Even with a single monitor, it is a pain in the ass to move the mouse all the way to the top left corner for the menu to appear, and then orienting myself with the items presented.

You could always use keyboard shortcuts to access the menu. Unity also let you search through the menu items with the Alt key - no manual navigation necessary. I thought that integrated menus are a great idea - even Apple does it. It saves vertical space and looks "at one" with the rest of the system.

GNOME has solved in a radical way by simplifying menus, so you need neither search nor frequent mouse/keyboard navigation.

Honestly 'even Apple does it' is a poor argument. If global menu would be a really good and generally accepted idea we'd see it implemented in GNOME and KDE (via extensions at least).

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by wmf »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #84
robert_foss wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they never learn?

What's wrong with Snaps? I'd say it's a good approach in many cases.

Upstream GNOME is working on Flatpak, so is Ubuntu going to ship GNOME or GNOME-with-Flatpak-stripped-out?

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by butz »

Ditching Unity for Gnome - good news. Dropping Ubuntu Phone - not. First Firefox OS, now Ubuntu Phone. I suppose it shouldn't be that hard to create a fully open source mobile OS, with possible "convergence" functionality (running desktop apps when device is connected to big screen)? Especially now, when all apps are going to web a. k. a. Progressive Web Apps.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by dal »

noobermin wrote: post #69
gshulegaard wrote: post #57

I may be a minority, but I am very saddened by this. Not because I have any particular love for Unity, but rather I share Mark's conviction that convergence is the future. Love or hate it but Unity was IMO the best shot we had at getting an open source unified phone, tablet and desktop experience...and now this is effectively Canonical not only shutting down Unity, but refocusing efforts away from convergence and tow…

I am sad too, in fact, a scan over the comments suggests we aren't so much in the minority. I think too that his conviction was right, it is merely possible that his strategy of going out on his own on Mir wasn't the right one. I'm not sure if going with Wayland will hamper the eventual convergence, but I doubt at this point we will see an open source convergence before we see one in proprietary form.

It's here already called the Samsung Dex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEPegrUMXaA

https://news.samsung.com/global/hands-on-8-galaxy-s8-feature...

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by spectistcles »

mlvskmvd wrote: post #75
robert_foss wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ubuntu Mobile was never really a viable alternative mobile os though.

I disagree. I think if it was marketed as heavily as google markets android it could compete in certain markets like power-users and professionals.

It could carve out a niche, but it would never compete. They don't have the money Google has by a vast longshot.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by sandGorgon »

geodel wrote: post #87
sandGorgon wrote: post #56

> We will shift our default Ubuntu desktop back to GNOME for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS This is huge and was my #1 request for the previous post for Ubuntu 17.10. Gnome on Fedora is amazing and I have had people walk up to me and ask me - what OS am I running ? It is so much better for Ubuntu and Redhat to have joint stewardship of Gnome going forward rather than split energy on wasted competition. My next biggest request is f…

Flatpak seems more limited in scope as documents say: > Can Flatpak be used on servers too? Flatpak is designed to run inside a desktop session and relies on certain session services, such as a dbus session bus and a systemd --user instance. This makes Flatpak not a good match for a server. Whereas Snap documents say: Package any app for every Linux desktop, server, cloud or device, and deliver updates directly.

I know - however these things are seldom demarcated on merit and more on ideology.

I wish the next generation of linux has a single package manager :(

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by satysin »

Afforess wrote: post #11

Damn. From the horses mouth: https://insights.ubuntu.com/2017/04/05/growing-ubuntu-for-cl... I might be a small minority, but I _like_ Unity 7. I have never used Unity 8, and I thought the Ubuntu phone was misspent effort, but wow. Now I have to figure out if there is a way to style Gnome to look like Unity 7. I wonder what this means for Mir vs Wayland as well.

Making GNOME look like Unity is simple. Getting it to work like Unity is a bit different. The main difference being the global menu bar.

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by ZenoArrow »

wmf wrote: post #93
ZenoArrow wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with Snaps? I'd say it's a good approach in many cases.

Upstream GNOME is working on Flatpak, so is Ubuntu going to ship GNOME or GNOME-with-Flatpak-stripped-out?

Okay, but from what I've seen Snaps are better (from the perspective of flexibility and simplicity) than Flatpak, isn't this a case where it'd be better for GNOME to adapt rather than vice versa?

Re: Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence

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Post by tradesmanhelix »

"Growing Ubuntu for Cloud and IoT, Rather Than Phone and Convergence"

Translation: "We don't really care that much about Linux on the desktop because it's not making us much $$$."

Dear Canonical,

Your actions are a huge let down to the community. You caused a lot of strife with the move away from Gnome to Unity in 2010, and now you're ripping the rug out from under even more users after feeding us crap about convergence, etc. for the past 4-5 years (?). Nobody asked you to do any of that phone or convergence stuff, but peddling it like it's the next big thing and then pulling it without ever even really shipping a working product is just amateurish and make the whole FOSS community look bad.

You and FOSS companies like you - please stop. Next time you have an idea that's going to be the next "big thing" or a "world-changing paradigm shift", ship something before you start hyping it to the tech press. Ubuntu Touch/Unity 8 is just the latest in a long line of embarrassing open-source let downs that took enormous amounts of time and energy away from the community with absolutely nothing to show for it.

Signed,

A disappointed ex-Ubuntu user

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