Whenever I would browse the Netflix reviews it appeared most people voted either 5 stars or 1 star anyway.
Netflix Replacing Star Ratings With Thumbs Ups and Thumbs Down
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#92Question to the Machine Learning folk: are five-star ratings "better" than thumbs up/down, or is it just a matter of algorithm design?
I know ratings/prediction has long been studied by the MovieLens.org scientists.
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#93As I posted in the dupe: This saddens me. >Users would rate documentaries with 5 stars, and silly movies with just 3 stars, but still watch silly movies more often than those high-rated documentaries That's not incongruous to me. The stars are not about "enjoyment" factor, they are about perceived quality. I may have a go to cheap ice-cream and rate it 3-stars but rate a good affogato 5-stars and only have it once in…
When I watch netflix, I use the stars as a measure of if I would enjoy something. I don't think most people use stars as a measure of "quality" because when they browse movies, they are looking for something they enjoy, not something that's high quality that they might not enjoy.
This seems like pure difficulty for me. When I think of thumbs up / down metrics I think in terms of "would I endorse this?"
A movie like "Suicide Squad" was (to me at least) highly enjoyable, though I thought it objectively had many problems with plot and delivery. I would probably give it 3 stars, which is relatively neutral for me (or leave it altogether unrated). If it were thumbs up/down, I would probably have to leave it unrated completely.
Maybe that's an improvement, but the more discussion I see around this, the more I realize the futility of single-axis metrics for things like this, until and unless you're asking a single question "Did you enjoy this movie" is a much different question from "is this a good movie" -- and I don't really know which one I've been answering on Netflix all these years past.
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#94As I posted in the dupe: This saddens me. >Users would rate documentaries with 5 stars, and silly movies with just 3 stars, but still watch silly movies more often than those high-rated documentaries That's not incongruous to me. The stars are not about "enjoyment" factor, they are about perceived quality. I may have a go to cheap ice-cream and rate it 3-stars but rate a good affogato 5-stars and only have it once in…
When I watch netflix, I use the stars as a measure of if I would enjoy something. I don't think most people use stars as a measure of "quality" because when they browse movies, they are looking for something they enjoy, not something that's high quality that they might not enjoy.
I think a lot of people look at the stars as a measure of enjoyment when trying to find something to watch, but when actually rating something, as a measure of quality.
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#95Normalize star ratings. If something has an average rating of 4 stars, but four stars is in the lowest 10 percent, it should be given 1 star. This solves the classic issue with star ratings where anything under 5 stars is below average.
Personally I use star ratings badly myself. I only ever rate titles 5 stars. But that's because I mostly only watch stuff I am fairly sure I am going to like.
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#96From the linked Variety article, "However, over time, Netflix realized that explicit star ratings were less relevant than other signals. Users would rate documentaries with 5 stars, and silly movies with just 3 stars, but still watch silly movies more often than those high-rated documentaries." But the signal isn't just for Netflix; it is also for users, who might sometimes be in the mood for something silly and some…
Thumbs up or thumbs down is just as good of a signal for the users. Everybody has some innate star rating threshold where they won't watch a series or film. If it's below 3.5 stars I won't even give it a chance. Thumbs down accomplishes the same thing. I'm going to rely on Netflix's recommendation engine to put things in front of me that I am going to enjoy.
Their recommendation system is useless anyway, to the point that I've started to see five-starred content as a negative indicator.
Why not remove recommendations altogether? They clearly don't have a library to support it.
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#97As I posted in the dupe: This saddens me. >Users would rate documentaries with 5 stars, and silly movies with just 3 stars, but still watch silly movies more often than those high-rated documentaries That's not incongruous to me. The stars are not about "enjoyment" factor, they are about perceived quality. I may have a go to cheap ice-cream and rate it 3-stars but rate a good affogato 5-stars and only have it once in…
Shouldn't this quality rating be within a genre? Not all documentaries are 5-star, and not all silly movies are 3-stars.
How do you compare ice-cream with cheesecake?
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#98As I posted in the dupe: This saddens me. >Users would rate documentaries with 5 stars, and silly movies with just 3 stars, but still watch silly movies more often than those high-rated documentaries That's not incongruous to me. The stars are not about "enjoyment" factor, they are about perceived quality. I may have a go to cheap ice-cream and rate it 3-stars but rate a good affogato 5-stars and only have it once in…
When I watch netflix, I use the stars as a measure of if I would enjoy something. I don't think most people use stars as a measure of "quality" because when they browse movies, they are looking for something they enjoy, not something that's high quality that they might not enjoy.
I use the stars to signal quality as a means of determining if I'd enjoy it. 5 stars? This is likely to be high-quality and enjoyable. 3 stars? This is going to be lower quality and I may not enjoy it. 1 star? This is likely shit quality, and I'll regret playing—or it's a cult classic and all the haters don't get it.
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#99As I posted in the dupe: This saddens me. >Users would rate documentaries with 5 stars, and silly movies with just 3 stars, but still watch silly movies more often than those high-rated documentaries That's not incongruous to me. The stars are not about "enjoyment" factor, they are about perceived quality. I may have a go to cheap ice-cream and rate it 3-stars but rate a good affogato 5-stars and only have it once in…
When I watch netflix, I use the stars as a measure of if I would enjoy something. I don't think most people use stars as a measure of "quality" because when they browse movies, they are looking for something they enjoy, not something that's high quality that they might not enjoy.
I use the stars to signal quality as a means of determining if I'd enjoy it. 5 stars? This is likely to be high-quality and enjoyable. 3 stars? This is going to be lower quality and I may not enjoy it. 1 star? This is likely shit quality, and I'll regret playing—or it's a cult classic and all the haters don't get it.
Re: Netflix Replacing Star Ratings With Thumbs Ups and Thumbs Down
#100As I posted in the dupe: This saddens me. >Users would rate documentaries with 5 stars, and silly movies with just 3 stars, but still watch silly movies more often than those high-rated documentaries That's not incongruous to me. The stars are not about "enjoyment" factor, they are about perceived quality. I may have a go to cheap ice-cream and rate it 3-stars but rate a good affogato 5-stars and only have it once in…
> The stars are not about "enjoyment" factor, they are about perceived quality
I ignore ratings because of that. They don't mean anything and I am guilty.
On Good Reads, I have given what is deemed as a trashy piece of writing 5 stars. At the same time, I have given Dune 1 star because the story was garbage.
So what is this 5 star rating? Some people say it is the experience, some say it is the writing style, others say it is the story telling, or the plot.
Lets also face it, when it comes to films, the news papers have their own agendas and personal commitments to other agencies. My film could be absolutely garbage, but since I dined with the Editor a few times, It gets 4/5 stars and then, it gets 4/5 stars because the rest of the population is told how to feel.
I would even say that this whole system of rating based on Stars or Likes can simply be removed. If a film is good, you will know about it. If a film has been watched 1000000 times more this weekend than another, base it on that if anything.