Last year I finally switched to mac for work (I had family mac air). Before that I always used thinkpads. I still think the 15" T60 was one of the best computers I have owned. I would have stayed with it if I could upgrade 16gb (ahh Java development). The new thinkpads are bad. I'm sort of annoyed that I finally got used to mac and it is now down a path of crap (love the form factor... hate the Mac UI and no upgrade)…
Asus to surpass Apple in notebook sales: TrendForce
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#92That's how I discovered one of Apple's secret weapons, which it seems nobody is talking about: purchasability.
My expectation was that Asus's site would allow me to:
1. Browse their catalogue of computers.
2. Compare their pricing and features.
3. Buy one.
These are expectations which Apple's online store has given me, and I don't think they're extravagant. But with ASUS I could do exactly none of those. Nowhere on the site could I find a simple list of Zenbook models. Instead, there's so much flowery copywriting about how smart and sexy and popular a Zenbook will make me. Jesus Christ, it goes on forever. Are they using an infinite scroll? Anyhow, eventually I reach the bottom of the page: no list of available computers with specifications. WTF.Okay, let's try "Find Your Zen" -- maybe, um, that'll help me pick a machine per the features I want?
No, it's some kind of personality profile, asking me what my aspirations are in life. My aspirations are to buy a fucking 13"-14" notebook with a decent CPU, an hdpi screen, an SSD, 8gb of RAM and a real HDMI port. Fine, let's pick some random options and see what it gives us.
Oooh, it says I should by some kind of flip-book! Actually I didn't know that existed and it looks pretty cool. The UX360UA. Yep, I'd go for that I guess, but it would be nice to see it side-by-side with other options. Anyhow, how much does it cost?
No idea. Doesn't say anywhere on the site. WTF?
Okay, let's go to http://currys.co.uk/ to find out. Search for Zenbooks. 78 options. Damnit, no, let's narrow down the screen size. WTF, it says they doesn't have any 13" models? Oh, no, I see -- their search filters are just completely busted. Fine, let's search through the whole list until we find what we want.
Hm. They don't have the UX360UA, but they have something that looks identical called the UX360CA. Er.... what's the difference? Is that like a different model number for the UK market? No way to tell.
...Spend 5 minutes Googling, since there's no way to search for anything or compare features on the ASUS site... finally find a comparison which makes it clear that the UX360CA is has a down-rated CPU, definitely unsuitable for my work. Looks like Curry's just doesn't carry the machine I want.
Okay, let's try Amazon.
Searching for UX360UA pulls up scores of options, most of them having nothing to do with the UX360UA. Finally, however, I can see a price -- a mere half an hour after first looking for it on the Asus site -- but it's out of stock! Alas. Oh, it's also available from other vendors for a bit more, but still a good deal... let's do that!
And, hey, this is thing is loaded! It's got a 256gb SSD and a 512gb HD. I admit: I could make use of that.
I get as far as putting it onto my wishlist before I notice that it's actually a UX310UA rather than a UX360UA. Just one character difference: can't blame Amazon for thinking that the Levenshtein distance was close enough to make it a match. But WTF, I now have no idea what kind of computer this is or whether it would be suitable for me. Still have no idea how much a UX360UA that I can actually buy would cost, nor have I been able to do a side-by-side comparison of it with any other options.
So how the hell am I supposed to purchase this thing??? Had to give up for the day; I'll come back to it when I have more free time.
In contrast, Apple's retail experience (both online and physical) is... well, there's a lot of it that's extraordinarily polished, probably to the point of superfluousness, but they've got the very most basic mechanism figured out:
1. Here's what we've got.
2. Choose what you want.
3. Buy it.
This allowed me to buy my current Macbook Pro at the Apple store on Regent street in under 12 minutes. I deeply appreciated the straightforwardness of that purchasing experience (in contrast to my girlfriend, who, when picking up her Zenbook from Currys, had to spend 15 minutes in a back room turning down upselling offers etc). Is this really so hard for others to accomplish?And no, Dell isn't any better at this. Nor is HP. I haven't checked with Silverfish^H^H^H^H Lenovo yet but am not particularly interested in their machines. In any case, this is one area where industry needs to get better at aping Apple.
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> My MacBook Pro from 2011 goes all day with serious activity without a charge As an owner of a 2011 MacBook Pro with a recently replaced battery, I don't believe you. We either don't share the same understanding of "all day", "serious activity", "without a charge", or "goes".
Well by serious activity I mean writing C++ all day in emacs and compiling it maybe a hundred times or more. And the usual web browsing, email throughout the day. I can easily make it through a full work day doing this without plugging in the machine.
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#94I think part of the recent sentiment towards Apple is due to the expectations game. If it had been a different company, like Asus, to introduce a very thin, very lightweight computer with excellent graphics and a touch strip, I think a lot of people would be thinking, "wow! Asus is really innovating! what a useful little machine!". But because it is Apple, the expectations go far beyond that of any other company, so…
If this had been a macbook update I don't think there would have been as much a backlash, but a macbook pro is not the same thing as a macbook in terms of expectations for ports or power
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Lenovo ideapad (cheap ones, superfish, avoid) and Lenovo Thinkpad (no superfish, mostly good) should be thought separate manufacturers. They're not comparable. For quality and reliability. This is astonishingly subjective and quite probably wrong :p 1. Thinkpad. Not as good as they were, but appear to be trying to improve again. Usually a fairly safe bet for BSD & Linux drivers. Support (UK) have been excellent. 2. D…
I've had three Thinkpads in two years (T440, two T450s). Their build quality is okay by PC standards, not great. The keyboard deck is warped on my work T450s. The screen was shit on my T440. The screen is shit with bad backlight bleed and low maximum brightness on both T450s. EDIT: Oh I forgot about the absolute ton of crapware on the machine out of box.
Don't like the 6 row chiclet keyboard, sound is garbage on recent machines I've had, don't seem as resilient, and not the same attention to detail.
Crapware? Access Connections (Adobe Air made it slow junk), warranty/help/update thing. No Norton any more. They started adding other junk?
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I run Ubuntu 16.04.1 (no Windows partition) on an Asus X555 (8GB RAM, 120GB SSD). Works extremely smooth. I've also used the same setup on a Transformer series notebook and have had no issues at all. It's honestly been my best notebook experience - having used Acer & Lenovo before (not that those notebooks were bad)
Thanks! :) How easy was the installation? Any crazy stunts to get it all working?
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I've had three Thinkpads in two years (T440, two T450s). Their build quality is okay by PC standards, not great. The keyboard deck is warped on my work T450s. The screen was shit on my T440. The screen is shit with bad backlight bleed and low maximum brightness on both T450s. EDIT: Oh I forgot about the absolute ton of crapware on the machine out of box.
A surprise. I always felt screens have been one of their best features, with great consistency and brightness so far. I'm looking to replace at the moment, and t460 t560 are shortlisted along with dell and HP. So now I'm clueless again. :p Don't like the 6 row chiclet keyboard, sound is garbage on recent machines I've had, don't seem as resilient, and not the same attention to detail. Crapware? Access Connections (Ad…
As for crapware: my T450s came with a bunch of Lenovo-branded garbage, like a settings app, a power management app, and an update app. That leaves you with, e.g. two different ways to configure your power management settings, and three different ways to configure things like mouse settings (the Windows modern app, the lenovo app, and the Windows app). For $1,000, a machine should just come with Microsoft software.
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#98To be honest, the zenbook line has been a big hit. Good value and very sexy. Wish I had enough money for the UX390UA. It's basically faster, thinner, lighter, sexier Dell XPS...
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#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've had three Thinkpads in two years (T440, two T450s). Their build quality is okay by PC standards, not great. The keyboard deck is warped on my work T450s. The screen was shit on my T440. The screen is shit with bad backlight bleed and low maximum brightness on both T450s. EDIT: Oh I forgot about the absolute ton of crapware on the machine out of box.
A surprise. I always felt screens have been one of their best features, with great consistency and brightness so far. I'm looking to replace at the moment, and t460 t560 are shortlisted along with dell and HP. So now I'm clueless again. :p Don't like the 6 row chiclet keyboard, sound is garbage on recent machines I've had, don't seem as resilient, and not the same attention to detail. Crapware? Access Connections (Ad…
The default shipped screens are okay-ish.
The IPS displays have a reputation of good quality but you gotta pay extra.
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#100My girlfriend got a Zenbook a couple of weeks ago. It's a really nice machine -- not quite what I need for development purposes, but very very good. Put me in mind to see what kind of Zenbook might suit my needs. So I headed down to http://www.asus.com/zenbook/ to see what kind of machines they had and how much they cost. That's how I discovered one of Apple's secret weapons, which it seems nobody is talking about: p…