How many decision makers are willing to admit that they are subconsciously using "chair time" as a measure of productivity?
Ask HN: If you don't permit telecommuting, why?
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Re: Ask HN: If you don't permit telecommuting, why?
#92I could be more productive remote, because it's less chair-time and more working when I'm really concentrated, 1.5h less commute, less distractions (i really love to block out the rest of the world with music and don't like headphones), real food and a bed for a quick nap at home. We are partly remote, but I'm sadly not. What is nice about non remote though: - you can see if a college has time for your questions - yo…
Also it's really amazing how crappy many companies' web conferencing setup is. They break down regularly, have poor sound quality and are generally really flaky. I know this is getting better with Hangouts and alike, but still, they are occasionally going to crap out and always, it seems, at the most inopportune time.
Re: Ask HN: If you don't permit telecommuting, why?
#93I am a remote worker and if I ever ran a company I wouldn't allow telecommuting. Here is why: When I was at the office for a decade, 90% of the insight and productivity came from informal conversations in the hallway, lunches and things I overheard in passing. As a remote worker, nearly all communication is very deliberate so I am not exposed to those ad-hoc conversations. Everything is very deliberate: I receive an…
For example, there's a difference between, "I struggle when I am not in the ad-hoc conversations" and "Everyone will have the same experience."
Re: Ask HN: If you don't permit telecommuting, why?
#94Are there any success stories of early stage high growth startups that were started by a remote team? At least in the startup world, most people are concerned that you will miss that zeal and watercooler chat magic that is critical to early stage companies. I don't think anybody cares too much about your 1000th engineer being remote, the organizational DNA has already been set a long time ago.
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#96I am a remote worker and if I ever ran a company I wouldn't allow telecommuting. Here is why: When I was at the office for a decade, 90% of the insight and productivity came from informal conversations in the hallway, lunches and things I overheard in passing. As a remote worker, nearly all communication is very deliberate so I am not exposed to those ad-hoc conversations. Everything is very deliberate: I receive an…
>When I was at the office for a decade, 90% of the insight and productivity came from informal conversations in the hallway, lunches and things I overheard in passing The issue is not remote working, the very thing you wrote is the issue. Virtually every time, remote working doesn't create new issues but reveals and - embarassingly - exposes existing ones. You can no longer take a chance by letting things such as hal…
Re: Ask HN: If you don't permit telecommuting, why?
#97I am a remote worker and if I ever ran a company I wouldn't allow telecommuting. Here is why: When I was at the office for a decade, 90% of the insight and productivity came from informal conversations in the hallway, lunches and things I overheard in passing. As a remote worker, nearly all communication is very deliberate so I am not exposed to those ad-hoc conversations. Everything is very deliberate: I receive an…
This is the problem. I would never work for a company that "Allowed telecommuting". I try to only work for companies that have a "remote first" mentality. Everyone in the entire company should have the ability to work from home or be traveling and working and be able to remain 100% productive. This is a culture issue at companies that will evolve over time. The focus needs to shift from "good their butts are in their…
Re: Ask HN: If you don't permit telecommuting, why?
#98For us, it's about keeping the barriers to communication as low as possible. We do pair programming, so we're already very much oriented to frequent communication. While tools like Slack and email get the job done if your team is working remotely, nothing beats being able to turn around in your chair and quickly engage another pair of developers (or the entire dev team if necessary) in a quick discussion about something. This extends to the rest of the team (designers, product managers, relevant business analysts, etc). At any point I can walk 30 steps or less and talk to anyone from the product or business teams about requirements.
Admittedly we keep strict working hours to maximize the amount of time the team is together (8am to 5pm, everyone takes the same lunch hour). The flip side of those strict hours is that we are never asked to work overtime or weekends. We come in, the entire team works for 8 hours together, and then we go home. People never believe me until they see it in person, but our office will be buzzing with work at 4:58, and then be a ghost town at 5:02... unless we decide to play some post-work ping pong or grab a beer!
I'm not saying that I don't think that remote work can be effective, because I've seen it work. But I think it's disingenuous to say that remote work is equivalent to colocation. The best argument I've seen for seeking remote workers is when a company is located in an undesirable city and struggles to attract talent (i.e. a company in Paducah, Kentucky will struggle to attract candidates in a way that a company in Denver, Colorado probably will not).
Re: Ask HN: If you don't permit telecommuting, why?
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
hilariously, some companies with remote workers have "activity monitors" installed that tell coworkers you aren't doing anything if your mouse/keyboard goes inactive for a few minutes.
Is that for real?
About 15 years ago I got a demo at a Gartner conference from a company doing just that. The vendor's primary goal, they said, was to measure where the developer was spending his time (coding vs debugger vs editor... I think it was a Visual Studio add-in?). But they admitted employers could use it to track what the developer was/wasn't doing.
...and that was before Facebook.
Re: Ask HN: If you don't permit telecommuting, why?
#100Before jumping in though I'd like to create some definitions that I use in my mind to keep things differentiated. There are three configurations of remote work that have been called at one time or another, telecommuting.
1) Working from home. This is perhaps the most interesting one and it is specifically an employee in their own home using their own or company equipment to connect back to "the office". They participate in teleconference calls when invited and generally have a VPN type connection to the company network.
2) Working at a 'commuter' desk. These are people who are working away from where they normally would and sitting at a desk in a company owned facility that is not specifically assigned to them but hosted in a company facility.
3) Working at a 'remote site'. These are members of the group who are working at a company facility that is distant from the primary facility that is hosting the group they are associated with. It may or may not include other "remote" members of the group but it is a permanent arrangement unlike #2 above.
I don't think there is a lot of controversy or question around #2. People are traveling, they can stop in a local office and get some work done and have access to things like printers and conference rooms. So for those workers it is a way to work effectively while travelling.
Option 3 (a "local" office for a member of a "remote" group) is generally well supported by most organizations, especially ones with extended sales presence in multiple markets. This arrangement benefits the company by allowing them to hire in places where people don't want to move away, and in my experience, it makes the sales team (if there is one) at that facility more effective as it can cut down on communication time between corporate and sales.
So lets agree when we're talking about "telecommuting" as something which can be argued for or against, we're talking about allowing full time staff to work out of their homes.
There is lots of material on this with many different angles from team building to team communication to legal liability.
Most people don't think about the legal question, just like they don't think about collecting sales tax from people at their garage or yard sale. However, in some jurisdictions it is illegal to work full time out of your home without a business license, fire department inspection, and ADA compliant facilities (for example). In some places you need a zoning allowance. There is a question about injuries you sustain while at home but "working", is that covered by workman's compensation? homeowners insurance? (likely both will refuse to cover it). To the extent that working at home becomes more popular, you will see municipalities crack down on this just like they do on lemonade stands[1] from time to time.
Then there are the team dynamics. If you have an office which some people hate (say a noisy open office plan) but they can't work from home (maybe they are renting one room out of a 3 bedroom apartment which has two families living in the other two rooms). They will have negative feelings about the company and their fellow employees who have the luxury of working from home. If you have a lot of spontaneous brainstorming sessions, few will remember to "dial in" someone who is not in the office. This will make the person off site feel "out of touch" (which can lead to them feeling anger and distrust for the rest of the team).
But lets answer the 'hiring side' questions, that is easy.
-- They have to be on site to avoid negative team dynamics and legal liability.
-- Yes, and I told the employee they had to work on site at least 4 days a week.
-- No.
-- I've seen that happen (I wasn't personally involved in the decision). The change was okay because the person's job was essentially a group of 1 (they had few external dependencies) and they were reliable at meeting the schedule. They essentially became a "remote office with 1 employee" in it.
-- I have been in companies where it was pretty absolute (everyone comes into the office) and companies where it was more flexible. In my experience, groups within the company without work-at-home people had better group dynamics and higher productivity. But to really understand why that was you needed to understand how the company got things done and how groups negotiated deliverables.
[1] From 2011 -- http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/08/03/the-inexplic...