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Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by AJ007 »

syphilis2 wrote: post #32

I wonder how well this will scale with time. I've certainly done things while driving that were reckless to varying degrees, I suspect most drivers have as well. How long until 50% of cars on the road have been tagged doing something reckless? Of course I can imagine a number of ways to handle this. On a more broad note, I wonder how useful it really is to know that a specific vehicle acted recklessly sometime in the…

There is definitely a gradient of severity with "reckless" driving.

Have you ever driven full speed through a red light? Sat at a complete stop of a freeway in an attempt to merge in to traffic? Taken a U-turn on a freeway? There are things that don't cause an accident, but once a driver does, they should probably not be allowed behind the wheel for at least a year, some things possibly even a lifetime ban or some additional evaluation.

There is an interesting dichotomy because smart phone usage has really caused a big problem with distracted driving. Even Geico experienced an increase in claims last year, and I suspect this was why. When I watch traffic sometimes over 50% of drivers are looking at a phone screen rather than the road. At the same time, mobile sensors are enabling something which will end with roads being extremely safe and killing very small numbers of humans a year.

There is a lot of talk about privacy and freedom on the internet. Privacy and freedom on the road is dead in all dimensions. You won't be anonymous, you won't be able to take go somewhere when the police/authorities are looking for you, there may not even be private ownership of any vehicles in the US in 10-15 years.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by drdeca »

patcheudor wrote: post #81
ucaetano wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"One idiot behind the wheel, and their fleet car might as well go straight to scrap." Unless, of course, they pay this nice fee to have their fleet cars whitelisted in the app, call it "bad driver protection money"!

The point being, once everyone has this thing in their car and everyone is being watched while they are driving, everyone will be marked as an idiot. Even the safest drivers make stupid moves. Even worse, by what metric is an idiot made? I drive aggressively, trying to find open space on the road whenever I can. To do this I speed and otherwise make abrupt lane changes. If I'm on a road trip and someone is following…

> once everyone has this thing in their car and everyone is being watched while they are driving, everyone will be marked as an idiot.

I wouldn't expect that to be a yes/no thing. Shouldn't it be based on compared to the average driver, as determined by the same system?

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by paavokoya »

Justsignedup wrote: post #86
FilterSweep wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

agreed - it is a huge sell for insurance companies.

They already do this. BUT maybe this will provide benefit for customers. And since its collecting ALL data, including visual and audio, this is a voluntary spy device. Imagine if the government demanded that data be handed over and starts using that to spy on people. IMO this is not a stretch of the imagination.

"imagine" .. governments (and corporations) around the world do this on a consistent basis

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by drdeca »

An idea to address privacy problems with this:

1) Only have the information for licence plate codes of people who have opted in be stored in a way associated with the specific licence plate code.

2) Have the system encourage opting in as part of setting up the system in one's own car.

3) Have an id which is used for all cars which have not opted in, so that cars which have not opted in have a collective rating. Possibly split this up by general location, and maybe time of day.

4) Because most of the cars in a given area are there often (or, at least something similar to this is true) , it may be worthwhile for, for the cars that do not opt in, to still record behavior of those cars, but to not send it to a central location, only keeping it within one's own car. Cars which have not been seen in a long time can be automatically removed from the local storage. This should not significantly harm privacy, because it is basically the same as remembering that you saw that car before and that it tended to be driven poorly.

5) Possibly (this might always be pointless/counterproductive. I'm not sure.) , in some cases only store a hash of the license plate codes, instead of the license plate code itself?

A) I think this variation should be sufficient to protect privacy, because it only does widespread collection about identifiable individuals if they they consent to it. The information it collects about individuals that did not specifically (and presumably intentionally) express consent is only collected in aggregate about individuals in a geographic region, which does not personally identify anyone, or only collected by individuals and not shared, which is not much more of a privacy violation than an individual with excellent memory looking around.

B) So, while this variation might be less effective, I think it should be sufficient to protect privacy.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by lamontcg »

I should probably be horrified by the privacy implications, but I'm really not. I'm already trying to tone down some of the headgames that I've learned to play while driving. This would help by allowing me to just let everything slide and upload the video tagging data later.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by blangblang »

ucaetano wrote: post #74
JulianMorrison wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh, all the purposes are real. It's a win-win. Get warned of idiots, collect data that will be useful to insurers (and probably to self driving cars too, I can imagine Google cars giving detected hotheads a wide berth). I can see one group of people having a legit beef with this though: car rental companies. One idiot behind the wheel, and their fleet car might as well go straight to scrap.

"One idiot behind the wheel, and their fleet car might as well go straight to scrap." Unless, of course, they pay this nice fee to have their fleet cars whitelisted in the app, call it "bad driver protection money"!

The Yelp extortion model applied to individuals.

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by javiermaestro »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #78
JulianMorrison wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh, all the purposes are real. It's a win-win. Get warned of idiots, collect data that will be useful to insurers (and probably to self driving cars too, I can imagine Google cars giving detected hotheads a wide berth). I can see one group of people having a legit beef with this though: car rental companies. One idiot behind the wheel, and their fleet car might as well go straight to scrap.

Maybe there'll be an opportunity to drill down in the data. There's a huge wide spectrum of people who suck at driving (senile old people, oblivious soccer mom, boy-racer, etc) and I would be very surprised if they're all roughly equivalent.

Minor nit: I think your comment would be greatly enhanced if you changed some stereotypes, e.g. "soccer-mom" for "soccer-parent", "senile old" for "old" or "people with less reflexes" and "boy-racer" for just "racer". None of those relate 100% to the gender or age of the driver, IMHO :)

Re: An AI dashcam app designed to rate every driver

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Post by patcheudor »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #83
patcheudor wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point being, once everyone has this thing in their car and everyone is being watched while they are driving, everyone will be marked as an idiot. Even the safest drivers make stupid moves. Even worse, by what metric is an idiot made? I drive aggressively, trying to find open space on the road whenever I can. To do this I speed and otherwise make abrupt lane changes. If I'm on a road trip and someone is following…

This sounds like you drive like an idiot. And so you should be marked as one, and are grumpy about it. Well, tough. Basically what you're doing is playing Russian roulette, and you keep "winning", well yeah, that happens, right up until it doesn't. Drive like a Google car. Stop being an idiot. Get a smiley face score.

Honestly, I bathe in idiocy because it works. One of the "tricks" I've picked up is that if I'm being tailgated in town or someone is otherwise driving next to me and won't stop I'll turn off traction control and "light up" the rear end of my car. Everyone 'scatters' at that point. A lot of people don't understand this driving style. I look like a complete idiot, but people pay attention to the idiots. They watch them, they hang back, thus making the idiot a lot safer. My car stops from 60 to 0 in 97 feet. It takes someone in the average sedan nearly twice as far. The further I can keep those people away from me the better. When I'm driving I'm engaged. I drive a low fast sports car which requires full engagement. This makes me the safest person on the road no matter how bad I look to other drivers. This is a key concept when on a motorcycle as well. If you are blending in by being "good", no one is paying attention to you. If you are driving a loud bike, speeding up and slowing down aggressively, popping wheelies, and otherwise behaving like an ass, you are visible. Scare those around you and those around you will give you room and on the road and room is king.
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