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Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by swiley »

wlesieutre wrote: post #72
martin-adams wrote: post #65

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This bugs me like mad on Android. When I know the app is going to blast out, I have to let it before I can turn it down. I'm forever having to hop through menu after menu to turn the volume down. My phone is permanently on vibrate (have young kids in the house and don't want to wake them), so changing the ringer is frustrating at most.

On Android 6: 1) Press volume button to bring up volume controls 2) Tap the arrow on the right to expand 3) Adjust ring/music/alarm volumes as needed: http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/05/android_...

Just like he said, that involves touching the screen and opening a menu. There's no predictable way to immediately silence your phone.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by throwanem »

mikeash wrote: post #85
jedberg wrote: post #47

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That's true but how do I turn the volume down before a video starts. As far as I can tell there is no way to do that. In Youtube, even if my phone is muted, as soon as the video plays it will be 70% volume and I have to rush to turn it down.

If you're like me and never want to change the ringer volume, then go into Settings, Sounds, Ringer and Alerts, and set Change with Buttons to off. Then the volume buttons change the playback volume all the time.

Oh neat, I had no idea that existed. Thanks!

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by TheOneTrueKyle »

martin-adams wrote: post #65
throwanem wrote: post #43

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> what the hell the volume button does in different contexts If the app you're using right now has a handle for audio playback, it changes the speaker volume. If not, it changes the ringer volume. As far as I can tell, that's all, and in a half decade of using iPhones and iPods, I've never actually seen it misbehave.

This bugs me like mad on Android. When I know the app is going to blast out, I have to let it before I can turn it down. I'm forever having to hop through menu after menu to turn the volume down. My phone is permanently on vibrate (have young kids in the house and don't want to wake them), so changing the ringer is frustrating at most.

It is even a bigger nightmare if you have chromecast streaming to a TV. Now you have another volume control (which chromecast usually takes priority in this situation). This have been the biggest usability issues I've had with Android.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by erikpukinskis »

jedanbik wrote: post #78
andrewla wrote: post #24

Looks like Apple is doubling down on at least two features that really seem like duds -- 3D Touch (which as far as I can tell nobody even knows exists), and Siri (which everyone raves about but nobody uses for anything). I'd love to see UX improvements around minor inconveniences of the iOS experience: - what the hell the volume button does in different contexts (sometimes it changes the ringer, other times the in-ap…

3D Touch is to iOS as the Option key is to macOS. Hold down the Option key and click on Airport or volume control to see what I mean in macOS. It gives you more information, and the information it provides is information you didn't necessarily need to have without holding down the Option key. In airport, with the option key held, you see options to generate a wireless diagnostics report. Without the option key held,…

I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard.

I don't understand why we tolerative having shift, fn, control, alt, option, and command, not to mention ⌘ whatever that is. Is it really necessary? Do I need to be an Apple historian to be able to understand the primary input device on a Mac?

Command makes sense. And we need shift for capital letters. Let's just leave it at that.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by JadeNB »

andrewla wrote: post #24

Looks like Apple is doubling down on at least two features that really seem like duds -- 3D Touch (which as far as I can tell nobody even knows exists), and Siri (which everyone raves about but nobody uses for anything). I'd love to see UX improvements around minor inconveniences of the iOS experience: - what the hell the volume button does in different contexts (sometimes it changes the ringer, other times the in-ap…

> - turn off buzzing and booping when I plug in a charger, and maybe some sort of wireless charging thing if the technology is where it needs to be yet

Does setting it to mute not work? My iPad 3 makes the noise on plug and unplug exactly when it is not muted.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #94
jedanbik wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3D Touch is to iOS as the Option key is to macOS. Hold down the Option key and click on Airport or volume control to see what I mean in macOS. It gives you more information, and the information it provides is information you didn't necessarily need to have without holding down the Option key. In airport, with the option key held, you see options to generate a wireless diagnostics report. Without the option key held,…

I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

Seven? What?

There's Control, Option/Alt, Command, and Shift. Four modifier keys. This is the same set you have on other OSes, except there, Command is called Windows Key or Super.

Yes, Apple has symbols as abbreviations for Control, Command, Option, and Shift. Yes, Option is also called Alt. But it's not really all that complicated.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by Raphmedia »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #94
jedanbik wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3D Touch is to iOS as the Option key is to macOS. Hold down the Option key and click on Airport or volume control to see what I mean in macOS. It gives you more information, and the information it provides is information you didn't necessarily need to have without holding down the Option key. In airport, with the option key held, you see options to generate a wireless diagnostics report. Without the option key held,…

I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

Why? It's no different than pressing "Windows + D" to display the desktop on a PC.

As for the characters ⌘, ⌥, etc. they are printed on the key themselves...

Edit: Also, ⌘ historically denotes a place of interest. ⌥ is visually taking an alternative path... it's a straight line which goes parallel. It's the key for alternative functions... alt on pc.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by andrewla »

Frank2312 wrote: post #28
andrewla wrote: post #24

Looks like Apple is doubling down on at least two features that really seem like duds -- 3D Touch (which as far as I can tell nobody even knows exists), and Siri (which everyone raves about but nobody uses for anything). I'd love to see UX improvements around minor inconveniences of the iOS experience: - what the hell the volume button does in different contexts (sometimes it changes the ringer, other times the in-ap…

Just addressing your last point in this comment : ­>looking at what an app wants in order to install. I believe they request the same things in iOS as they do in Android in the case of multi-Platform apps like Facebook, but Google decided to show them in a different way that looks like it is worse than how Apple does it.

I haven't actually used Marshmallow yet; only read about the security model.

But historically, apps on iOS can only ask for permissions at run time, not at installation time, and you can refuse any permission if you choose (and restore it later if you want). So if an app wants to use a camera, it can either (terribly) ask you the first time you run it, or (nicely) ask you when you do something that uses the camera, and app store guidelines say the app has to not break horribly when it is told no.

In Android (historically) at installation time you get a list of requested permissions, and you either accept them all ("can access the microphone", "can access your contacts", "can access your browser history", "can control your phone", "can implant thoughts into your mind") or you can opt out by not installing the app. That's the scary thing; you go to install a todo app that wants to access your contacts -- what do you do? Is it malware? Will it be changed to be malware in the future?

From what I can tell, the interface in Marshmallow is still annoying in that the app tells you what it is going to ask for at install time, but doesn't get granted those permissions until it asks explicitly and you say yes.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by karlshea »

erikpukinskis wrote: post #94
jedanbik wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3D Touch is to iOS as the Option key is to macOS. Hold down the Option key and click on Airport or volume control to see what I mean in macOS. It gives you more information, and the information it provides is information you didn't necessarily need to have without holding down the Option key. In airport, with the option key held, you see options to generate a wireless diagnostics report. Without the option key held,…

I've been using macs for I guess a decade or so now and I still have no idea what the option key is for. When a keyboard shortcut is like ^+⌥+F6 I just mash buttons until it works. Why do they use a different symbol on the button than in the UI? I really have no desire to learn the seven different buttons in Mac OS and I wish application authors would stop using them so they could someday simplify the keyboard. I don…

I feel like your complaint is a little silly. ⌘ is Command and is printed right on the keyboard, Shift is an up arrow, and ^ is instantly recognizable as Control if you've used a Unix ever.

The only one that's really strange is ⌥, which by elimination is Option.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Post by skygazer »

filereaper wrote: post #33
newjersey wrote: post #31

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Anecdotal counterpoint: Siri is horrible at recognizing my speech if it is anything that it doesn't expect. I can ask it to define a word all day long but I doubt it will get any better. It just keeps giving me the same (incorrect) response repeatedly. Google Now does a very good job at recognizing voice including words I may mispronounce when I say "define X" I can sort of imagine why. Google "knows" me better. What…

Indeed, I have noticed the gap in comprehension between Siri and Google Now. I'd attribute that to Google having a much deeper expertise of ML than Apple. I wouldn't entirely discount things like Siri though, they'll get better with time.

Google built their own voice recognition using neural nets. Apple licenses theirs from Nuance, the makers of Dragon Naturally Speaking. I don't know what technology Nuance uses now, but historically it was Markov Models, I believe. The founder of what-would-become Nuance, and early pioneer in voice recognition, Ray Kurzweil, was hired a few years ago by Google to "to bring natural language understanding to Google."
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