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Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Heck, I just bought a course to study iOS9 development... Who can withstand such a pace?

The vast majority of what you'll learn there still applies. UITableView, for example, hasn't changed appreciably since it was introduced in iOS 2.0 (just to take a totally random example that popped into my head).

More philosophically, you're looking at it all the wrong way. Learn the fundamentals and an understanding of new features comes easy.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't think that all that junk added to Messages would have been added under Steve Jobs. Not that I think that's a bad thing, but it's definitely a notable departure away from clean and simple and minimal to something that is much, much more complicated and glitzy.

Considering the number of people that use other messaging apps these features are what people want. Apple can't just ignore that.

Why not leave these things to third party messaging apps, keyboards, and integrations? Why does it all have to be first party?

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Looks like Apple is doubling down on at least two features that really seem like duds -- 3D Touch (which as far as I can tell nobody even knows exists), and Siri (which everyone raves about but nobody uses for anything). I'd love to see UX improvements around minor inconveniences of the iOS experience: - what the hell the volume button does in different contexts (sometimes it changes the ringer, other times the in-ap…

> what the hell the volume button does in different contexts If the app you're using right now has a handle for audio playback, it changes the speaker volume. If not, it changes the ringer volume. As far as I can tell, that's all, and in a half decade of using iPhones and iPods, I've never actually seen it misbehave.

I think there are a few other edge cases. Siri has its own volume controls while you are using siri. I think phone calls have their own volume too. And while you are in the camera volume buttons become 'take photo' buttons.

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post #42

Was it just me, or ability to interact and access personal data on the lock screen on a locked phone seems little insecure?

That was my first thought, too, but you'll most likely be able to toggle what information is visible when the the device is locked, the same way you can now with Messages, Mail, etc.

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Looks like Apple is doubling down on at least two features that really seem like duds -- 3D Touch (which as far as I can tell nobody even knows exists), and Siri (which everyone raves about but nobody uses for anything). I'd love to see UX improvements around minor inconveniences of the iOS experience: - what the hell the volume button does in different contexts (sometimes it changes the ringer, other times the in-ap…

> what the hell the volume button does in different contexts If the app you're using right now has a handle for audio playback, it changes the speaker volume. If not, it changes the ringer volume. As far as I can tell, that's all, and in a half decade of using iPhones and iPods, I've never actually seen it misbehave.

This bugs me like mad on Android. When I know the app is going to blast out, I have to let it before I can turn it down. I'm forever having to hop through menu after menu to turn the volume down.

My phone is permanently on vibrate (have young kids in the house and don't want to wake them), so changing the ringer is frustrating at most.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Considering the number of people that use other messaging apps these features are what people want. Apple can't just ignore that.

Why not leave these things to third party messaging apps, keyboards, and integrations? Why does it all have to be first party?

Why build a first party messaging app if most people aren't going to use it? For people who just want to send plain text messages the UI is pretty much identical. Text box, type, send.

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iOS 10. 10 Features that I think they had a hard time to convince the audience that were so important. I've been using iOS since v3 and it's going ^2 complicated every year. Come on guys, nobody expects that you can deliver a revolution with every WWDC. Just don't make the interface more complicated. Siri, 3d touch, home kit? I barely know anyone using those and everyone these days has an iPhone. The focus is shifted…

I find Siri useful for certain things.

'Set a timer for 20 minutes' is faster for me than using the clock app.

'Navigate to the nearest gas station' is faster.

Setting reminders is usually faster with Siri. Especially geofences ones.

Finding pictures in a location is much easier with Siri.. "Find pictures at Lake Tahoe"

The main problem is that you have to remember what you can do.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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post #8

Holy moly, Apple is very aware of the competing chat apps. iMessage looks amazing and they packed a lot of features in there, but I wonder how they're going to make it all easily discoverable.

Really? I felt the presentation of iMessage was embarrassingly trying to seem hip. The only thing I didn't find to be annoying bloat was the ability to tap and "like" a message. Really cuts down on messages like "great" and "ok." Otherwise it honestly felt like Yahoo Messenger from 2005 in level of bloat, where you could "buzz" people and shake their windows. People use things that aren't iMessage, not because of features, but because they are cross platform and secure. Apple doesn't have that, so everything to me just felt like texting with bloatware.

I don't find those features confusing, just annoying.

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not leave these things to third party messaging apps, keyboards, and integrations? Why does it all have to be first party?

Why build a first party messaging app if most people aren't going to use it? For people who just want to send plain text messages the UI is pretty much identical. Text box, type, send.

What if I want to receive plain text messages?

Re: Apple announces iOS 10

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Looks like Apple is doubling down on at least two features that really seem like duds -- 3D Touch (which as far as I can tell nobody even knows exists), and Siri (which everyone raves about but nobody uses for anything). I'd love to see UX improvements around minor inconveniences of the iOS experience: - what the hell the volume button does in different contexts (sometimes it changes the ringer, other times the in-ap…

> 3D Touch (which as far as I can tell nobody even knows exists) Is this feature that bad? I'm an Android guy and it's probably the most appealing thing I've seen on the Apple side in a long time. At least as a replacement for the long press.

Android has had 3D touch (aka pressure sensitive touch events) since API Level 5 that shipped with Android 2.0 (Eclair) in 2009 - https://developer.android.com/reference/android/view/MotionE... . Feel free to install https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.casual_dev... on the oldest Android device you have and it will work.

It just flopped on Android like it's now doing on iOS. Push-hold / long-click / whatever you want to call it is just easier / more intuitive, I suppose. I believe the only big hit pressure sensitivity had on Android was on the Samsung Note type devices (which used it as pressure sensitivity on their pen) as well as the various Wacom-style drawing tablet things.

The things you see in the news about "X new Android smartphone will come with an Android version 3D touch!" are basically just marketing hype / PR. Provably, and beyond a doubt, Android has had 3D touch for 7 years now.

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