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Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by tehrei »

piquadrat wrote: post #80
parennoob wrote: post #64

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No one is showing the clip of what he actually said, which is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWkA-uAPXCE#t=2m10s He does absolutely say that "NGOs bang on about water being declared a human right", at the time when he is relaxed, and even bringing up some Austrian folk song about water. He says absolutely nothing about limits, or just being careful. The page you linked is a great example of corporate damage co…

That video cuts off right before Brabeck states his own view. Thanks for proving my point that his quote is often taken out of context. Here's a longer one https://youtu.be/7iGj4GpAbTM?t=192 He states that he thinks it would be better to give water a price so that we are aware of its value, and take specific measures to provide access to water to people who can't afford it. Not the worst idea ever to fight water wast…

"we are aware of its value" = corporate language for "to make our necks thiiiiiiiiiis fat".

How much do Nestlé pay these days for damage control btw?

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by stuaxo »

elthran wrote: post #51
maxaf wrote: post #39

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Almost everywhere I travel outside of NYC the question pops up: is tap water safe to drink? New York is notoriously proud of and vocal about this local amenity. Achieving a universal standard in this area would go a long way towards putting a significant dent in the bottled water scam.

By outside of NYC do you mean just elsewhere in the USA? I didn't realize the situation was that bad in the USA, outside of places such as Flint. I'm from the UK, and this question never comes up anywhere in the country (I'm aware of the scale differences we're talking about)- if you travel anywhere, you can drink the tap water.

@newjersey In the UK we only fouridate a few areas, mostly it's only good old chlorine that we add.

Maps:

http://bfsweb.org/onemillion/09%20One%20in%20a%20Million%20-...

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by goldbrick »

newjersey wrote: post #61
elthran wrote: post #51

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By outside of NYC do you mean just elsewhere in the USA? I didn't realize the situation was that bad in the USA, outside of places such as Flint. I'm from the UK, and this question never comes up anywhere in the country (I'm aware of the scale differences we're talking about)- if you travel anywhere, you can drink the tap water.

Yes. I'm ashamed to admit that we don't fluoridate our water across the Hudson river. While I'll never admit this in person in front of a New Yorker, water does taste better in the city. This is not to take away from the fact that water here is mostly safe to drink. There was an incident earlier this year with a broken mains flooding Hoboken which left a little bit to be desired in terms of communication. However, ov…

I wouldn't be so quick to call others idiots.

Fluoridation has absolutely nothing to do with taste.

The reason NYC's water tastes better than NJ's is simply that it comes from a different source.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by ovi256 »

adrianN wrote: post #79
aedron wrote: post #70

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Marketing potentially harmful products to children should simply not be allowed. It is well-accepted that children lack the experience and power of judgement to properly evaluate marketing claims. A product sold as breakfast, that consists of 25% sugar, absolutely qualifies as harmful.

I dislike the idea of solving this via more regulation. Children don't decide what they eat, their parents do. So either the parents don't care about the health of their children (hard to believe), or they're not properly educated about healthy nutrition.

The amount of discipline a parent (limited by the time and willpower a parent can input into the process) can impose is finite. Once we accept this hypothesis, we can see how usual norms are imposed by parental discipline plus non-parental discipline. A parent going against a norm will have to use an extraordinary amount of time and willpower to impose his unconventional norm, as he will lack the enforcement of the non-parent actors. Eating sugary cereal is a societal norm in today's developed countries. Therefore, a parent wishing to diverge from this norm would have to expend an extraordinary effort.

He's also going against the professionals who already succeeded in imposing the norm and simply have to maintain it today.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by mikeash »

jzwinck wrote: post #53
jld89 wrote: post #29

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"does not force or even encourage over consumption of sugar." Actually they do encourage you to eat a lot of sugar. Specially children. Their marketing campaigns are specially tailored to that objective. Just look at the cereal advertisements, most of their cereal brands have a lot of sugar in them. If that is not encouraging over consumption of sugar I don't know what is...

Their marketing is designed to sell cereal. People unfortunately are happiest (short term) to consume sugary cereal. They really are. I met a breakfast food operative in the supermarket once. I told him I thought his company should offer a low sugar version. He said everyone tells them to do so, but once it's on the shelves it does not sell. People want less sugar in the abstract. But they love sugar in their shoppin…

So they're not encouraging people to consume sugary stuff, they're encouraging people to consume a category of food where people prefer sugary stuff?

This is about as sensible as saying that Krispy Kreme isn't pushing sugary foods, people just happen to prefer donuts with lots of sugar in them.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by mikeash »

adrianN wrote: post #79
aedron wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marketing potentially harmful products to children should simply not be allowed. It is well-accepted that children lack the experience and power of judgement to properly evaluate marketing claims. A product sold as breakfast, that consists of 25% sugar, absolutely qualifies as harmful.

I dislike the idea of solving this via more regulation. Children don't decide what they eat, their parents do. So either the parents don't care about the health of their children (hard to believe), or they're not properly educated about healthy nutrition.

Raising children is hard enough without segments of society actively fighting against you.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by martin-adams »

adrianN wrote: post #79
aedron wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marketing potentially harmful products to children should simply not be allowed. It is well-accepted that children lack the experience and power of judgement to properly evaluate marketing claims. A product sold as breakfast, that consists of 25% sugar, absolutely qualifies as harmful.

I dislike the idea of solving this via more regulation. Children don't decide what they eat, their parents do. So either the parents don't care about the health of their children (hard to believe), or they're not properly educated about healthy nutrition.

As a parent I would agree that there is little education. Health professionals (in the UK) don't seem to care. Products you think are safe are then found out to be harmful in other ways.

I don't think education is the silver bullet, but habit forming is. For example, what is the habit you resort to when deprived of sleep, late for work and kids are throwing a tantrum? Sometimes that habit lies in preparation, something most of are are not very good at.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by goldbrick »

jensen123 wrote: post #89
Nagyman wrote: post #78

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A bit harsh to make a blanket statement about intelligence; people just need information which isn't being readily provided or is being drowned out with too much information. The collective actions seem counterintuitive to people paying attention, but paying attention requires time - which doesn't come easily if a swath of the population is busy with two part-time jobs and recovering with reality TV in the meantime.

If you read a few books on nutrition, you will learn that refined sugar is unhealthy. This is not hard for anybody with half a brain to figure out. As for working two part-time jobs etc., many of the people doing this buy status symbols like SUVs, iPhones, big houses etc. If they didn't buy so much unnecessary stuff, they wouldn't need to work so much.

I need that stuff to get laid though.

Re: Nestlé Wants to Sell You Both Sugary Snacks and Diabetes Pills

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Post by mikeash »

gruez wrote: post #62
dasboth wrote: post #54

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Honest question: do you see nothing wrong with someone monetising other people's lack of self control?

Devil's advocate: why shoud they not do it? Unless every other food producer does the same, sugary foods will still be available but Nestle would lose out on the profits.

We don't accept that sort of rationale for anything else. I'll go shoplift some stuff (maybe steal some Nestlé products); other people are still going to steal whether I do or not, so I might as well not lose out on the profits.
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