I grew up poor. Not Africa poor, but ex Soviet Union falling apart poor. One thing that made a huge difference was parents who sacrificed their career to make sure they were home with me after school. They encouraged education. Mom never finished more than 7 grades of school, but she saved money for and for the 8th of March, equivalent to mothers day (oh the irony) got me cheapest ZX Spectrum clone we could find. It…
I don't really like to talk about it to avoid looking like a showoff, but I run a project to help those who want to learn computers and programming. Currently am preparing some space that was made available and getting some funds for raspberry pis. I share a similar story like you (poor, parents got me a c64 somehow) and want to pay it forward. If anybody is interested in learning more or provide feedback about how I…
Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?
91–100 of 168 posts
Re: Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "With a lot of hard work, and the legal freedom to move away, anyone can break out of poverty." And, in many ways, the purest luck of the draw. If his grandfather didn't have a C64, what happens? Or for me, if my dad doesn't happen to go from selling office furniture to playing with computers when I was very young and I don't happen to then have computers lying around that I'm allowed to play with basically unimped…
It's a real lot of luck, don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. I was very lucky. I didn't (and don't) work harder than my peers who didn't make it out of poverty, yet I did. Amount of effort isn't correlated with measures of financial security.
Re: Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?
#93Statistics and chances. Some poor kids are bound to thrive eventually -- and chances make sure those kids have some things that other poor kids don't (a mentor in their life, a parent who isn't working 2 jobs or drinking but can spend some time with them, live in a good school district, their curiousness wasn't beaten out of them by bad early experiences, looks enabling them to be taken for better than other poor kid…
Yep, luck. I'm the child of a single mom of 4 who made $7000 / year, and I'm the first of my extended family to graduate college and the first millionaire (my younger brother got to middle class). Luck is the way that I succeeded. 1st, being born with a high IQ helped. But, that clearly wasn't enough since I had the lowest IQ of my family. And, 40% of my gifted class didn't even graduate high school. 2nd, being born…
Well, you did have a good part: all the lucked wouldn't help you if you fucked it up with your attitude, behavior, etc.
It's just that the inverse is not true: having the attitude, behavior, work ethic etc is worth nothing (or very little) without the chances and luck (imagine a genius, gentle hardworking. And those are not given to the majority of poor/downtrodden people.
Also, while (1) and (2) you mention might have a lot to do with existing disposition, they're also things we work out and change/improve.
If we consider (1) and (2) totally out of control as "genetics" or environment based (e.g. chance), then well, we can't say anybody really has any qualities of their own as a person.
Re: Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?
#94My mother had to provide for a family on her own. Most of the relatives from my father's side didn't bother to help, they had their own problems to deal with, add all of this on top of a economy which was non-existent in 2008. We had no place to stay for 4 months because we couldn't afford rent. I couldn't watch shows my peers watched because we couldn't afford cable/satellite TV, let alone a place to stay. There was food, electricity and water shortage for years(still is). Inflation was so high the government had to discontinue the currency.
Teachers in my public school began to flee to other countries so that they could still provide for their family.I had to teach myself Physics, Biology, Chemistry and Mathematics.I took up subjects I was never assigned to do in order to get decent grades so that I could go to college. I had to do two A levels, instead of three because teachers thought my grades weren't good enough, other students made fun of me because of this.The environment I was in was a perfect recipe for disaster, for a young mind.
But here I am, with a degree in Computer Science and working for a software company with like minded people because my father bought and introduced to me a cream rectangular box, big monochrome monitor and taught me how to type with a keyboard at the age of 5. This machine would become my identity project. Computers have been my survival tool, my passion, even when my peers thought I was delusional for pursing a career in Technology(they even made fun of me for thinking I had a chance).
Environment plays a big part in your life but you have the choice to let it dictate your life or you take the wheel and determine your future. I could have given up but I chose not to, even though everything around me constantly said I should.
I'm not in a place where I can say I made it but, but its sure as hell better than what I have experienced in my late childhood and adolescent years. For those young folks that are reading this and are in somewhat a disadvantaged situation, stay positive,stick to your identity project and never give up!
Re: Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
You should definitely consider the University of London International programme [1]. It's a distance learning course thats totally compatible with working at the same time, costs less than $8000 for the 3-year degree, and UK degrees are usually counted as equivalent to US degrees with regards to employment or further study. I'm just completing my first year of the course now. I've studied at some pretty good schools,…
Wow. Thank you so much for sharing. I had no idea something like this existed. As someone who has done online learning in the past (Academy of Art University, Udacity, Coursera), this seems like something right up my alley. $8000/year is extremely reasonable. Some quick questions: Are there any extra fees? How many classes in first/second/third year? Are they separated by semester or quarter? Does this include Genera…
What's also nice is that like most UK degrees, the course grades are weighted higher towards the layer years with the more advanced courses. It's something like 10% first year, 30% second year, 60% third year. That means that if you're not used to academic work, you can scale up over time, and still get a good grade overall if you hit your stride by the second year.
Re: Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?
#96Statistics and chances. Some poor kids are bound to thrive eventually -- and chances make sure those kids have some things that other poor kids don't (a mentor in their life, a parent who isn't working 2 jobs or drinking but can spend some time with them, live in a good school district, their curiousness wasn't beaten out of them by bad early experiences, looks enabling them to be taken for better than other poor kid…
Yep, luck. I'm the child of a single mom of 4 who made $7000 / year, and I'm the first of my extended family to graduate college and the first millionaire (my younger brother got to middle class). Luck is the way that I succeeded. 1st, being born with a high IQ helped. But, that clearly wasn't enough since I had the lowest IQ of my family. And, 40% of my gifted class didn't even graduate high school. 2nd, being born…
My question is this, ignoring your edit, if you say it was all luck based on the 8 points here, am I to conclude that anybody with these advantages would all have the same outcome no matter what they themselves did (taking into consideration the likely variability of behavior in context of your profile). If they worked their asses off, they would be no more successful than you are now and if they had just did the minimum, they'd be just as successful as you are.
I'd surmise this would not be the case so it seems likely that how hard one works, given the hand they're dealt, means a little more than you think.
Re: Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?
#97I'm one of those poor kids who got out. My identity project was programming. An friend gave me a an old noisy Pentium II that became my best friend. I spent countless hours, day and night, learning to program. Skipped prom to program, dodged sports in high school, never attended parties. Programming was my identity. I started working before starting college. The prohibitive cost of college made me drop out to focus o…
You should definitely consider the University of London International programme [1]. It's a distance learning course thats totally compatible with working at the same time, costs less than $8000 for the 3-year degree, and UK degrees are usually counted as equivalent to US degrees with regards to employment or further study. I'm just completing my first year of the course now. I've studied at some pretty good schools,…
Now you just have to do the work :)
[1]https://www.irs.gov/uac/Tax-Benefits-for-Education:-Informat...
Re: Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?
#98My family was initially very low-middle income, and some poor business and personal decisions caused us to fall, for a time, into poverty -- even spending several months homeless and living out of a motel.
The area we eventually ended up in was very rural, fairly poor with quite a bit of rural poverty around -- my immediate neighbors didn't even have running water or an indoor bathroom.
Having spent my earlier years in a more urban environment, I found the local children hard to relate to, and the distances between me and kids I got along with well enough were vast enough that they may as well have not existed. My parents worked very long hours and as a result I spent huge amounts of time virtually alone.
Somewhere along the way I got into BBSs and the world opened up to me. My "life-raft" was a happenstance introduction to the demoscene and the discovery of other kids in my metro area who were interested in technology, art and global perspectives. It also happened to dovetail pretty nicely with my other school interests (music and art).
I saved money to buy my first soundcard and learned how to upgrade computers. The desire to be part of the demoscene caused me to dive deeply into keeping up-to-date computers in my house and I learned to cobble together pretty decent ones for the time with very little money.
This kind of intense hardware/software experience got me my first job and an entry into the IT world where I grew in skills and ideas, and eventually put myself through university up to an M.S. (the first in my family) with the help of some grants.
Because of those connections I met my wife and have held great and wonderful jobs since then and have had a chance to travel the world and see things 10 year old me, sitting at the desk looking at pictures in history textbooks in the rented motel room my family lived in, would have never imagined I'd ever see in my life.
It wasn't all smooth running, there were many struggles and many times I almost never made it. But one helpful hand, or a caring boss or teacher, helped me get through it. I never took the SATs for example, barely graduated high-school, was nearly bankrupt in the middle of college due to a medical emergency. I never want to repeat the stress and anger of that time again, but I know it wasn't all just me, I had plenty of help and that, combined with desire from my life-raft seemed to be what did it.
Re: Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?
#99Hidden in this article is the assumption that the 25 year old working at chick-fil-a is beyond saving, so we must try to do better with future generations. That's really sad for me. That guy is still a kid, from where I sit. And he will likely be doing work that bores him to tears for the next 50 years. We should be talking about fixing that. Figuring out a way to send some smart, creative, in poverty, 30 year olds t…
Re: Why Do Some Poor Kids Thrive?
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't really like to talk about it to avoid looking like a showoff, but I run a project to help those who want to learn computers and programming. Currently am preparing some space that was made available and getting some funds for raspberry pis. I share a similar story like you (poor, parents got me a c64 somehow) and want to pay it forward. If anybody is interested in learning more or provide feedback about how I…
I'd be happy to help you out here - I run a Pi based business and we could donate some equipment. My e-mail is in my profile.