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Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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Re: Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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R&D Tax Incentives are pretty much the only thing the Australian Government offers - http://www.business.gov.au/grants-and-assistance/innovation-... Massacring the NBN and generally not giving a shit about technology really highlights how out of touch the Australian Government is with the general population. We are among the highest adoption rates for technology (smartphones etc.) worldwide and give a huge amount of…

If you think your startup will only succeed with a fast internet connection you should probably find a better idea.

Do you think Netflix could have been started in Australia? Not all startups require fast internet connections, but an entire class of business ideas are flat out impossible here.

Re: Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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Hey Australia, why not consider moving to NZ? 1. You can already move / live / work here without any immigration hassle. 2. We have an actual UFB fibre to the home network rolling out now that actually works. 3. Local and central government is pretty keen to support the technology scene - from government grants (refer Callaghan Innovation) to local tech hubs. AND help to connect in SF ( http://kiwilandingpad.com/ ) 4…

Better coffee? That's a pretty huge claim ...

Melbourne would like a word..

Re: Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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Disclosure, I work for data61, a major recipient of the gov't new innovation strategy. I'm also Canadian and have worked in technology in SF, LA, NYC, Vancouver and Santiago Chile. I have a very different perspective on this. Australia has had more than just one Atlassian. They've also got Campaign Monitor, BigCommerce, Canva, Where 2 (became Google Maps), Envato. Australia is also growing Freelancer (I don't believe…

I'm Australian and want to escape to Vancouver (for various reasons, email me if you're really interested). Can you provide any pointers?

I'm a software developer from & living in Vancouver, so if you need any tips check my profile for my email.

Re: Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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I think that so far Australia has been a pretty bad place to start a tech company. The startup community is quite small (even in Sydney). And in spite of it being small, it's really hard to raise funding. Almost all of the successful Australian companies you hear about have bootstrapped themselves from nothing and succeeded against astronomical odds. It seems that the few companies that do get funded rarely go anywhe…

Last time I was in Australia (around a decade ago) the country's most well known new entrepreneur was someone who opened a Jamba Juice clone.

Re: Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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The key point of the blog post is that any tech company that succeeds in Australia does so purely on its own two feet and that governments are at best mildly supportive of technology and at worst actively hostile. Turnbull destroyed the fibre to the home NBN and I can't see high speed ubiquitous Internet access coming any time soon. Imagine if 95% of Australian home - including ones in the country areas - had super h…

I really don't understand the NBN meme. I've worked for small tech companies in Australia my entire (not so long) career, and access to high internet speeds has never ever really been a problem. When you're a programmer, what is the difference to your work between 10 and 100mbps, really? Yes, regional areas should be upgraded from dialup/slow sattelite to at least 10mbps. What kind of impact will that have wrt the OP…

Interesting that this debate always centres on current bandwidth capability. I think the two biggest economic advantages of 'fibre to the home' are actually lower latency and future upgradability.

On latency, the round-trip time for a packet between Sydney and LA is about 2-3x slower than one would realisticly expect from the transmission medium. Why? It's the routing hops that introduce the additional latency. So it stands to reason that FTTH == fewer routing/repeating hops == lower latency. This is in contrast to 'fibre to the node', which requires additional routing hops, more resending and error correction, and, if you want to use fancy technologies like VDSL 'vectoring', more active processing of communications in transit (to calculate the correct cross-talk cancelling noise to push down all lines). In addition, wave-division multiplexing with latency at 99.7 per cent the speed of light in a vacuum has been achieved on fibre (admittedly in a lab/academic setting) over a distance of 310 metres (source: http://dx.doi.org/10.1038/nphoton.2013.45).

Why is lower latency desirable, from a national economic perspective? Because it creates larger scope for distributed computation of non-parallel processing and higher IO for geographically distributed storage. So data-centres can be located on cheaper land, further away from the CBD. Perhaps in future it also means someone in Darwin could utilise the idling processor, or spare hard disk space, of someone in Sydney via something like Etherium. All of this becomes harder and less efficienct as latency creeps up. For general background, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber-optic_communication#Comp...

On future upgradability, I'd argue we're reaching the upper bandwidth limits of what copper can provide (as a real world, fixed line infrastructure). This seems to be around 100-150mbit non-symmetric under the most ideal conditions, using some pretty fancy tech (on both the carrier and consumer ends), although the hypothetical maximum is supposedly around 10Gbits (achievable in LANs, unlikely to be achievable in WANs with current copper assets). How long until this is not 'enough'? In contrast, for single strand fibre, NEC have achieved 101Tbit/s over 165km, and NTT 69.1 Tbit/s over 240km.

Cisco projects the volume of global IP traffic to grow at a compounding annualised growth rate of 23% between 2014 and 2019; in other words global IP traffic volume will triple in 5 years (source: http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/service-pr...). Keep in mind this is strictly global IP traffic. Alcatel-lucent and Bell Labs, factoring in 'metro' (non-backbone) traffic (e.g. office to datacentre, consumer to CDN), forecast a quadrupling of bandwidth volume between 2015 and 2020, with an apparently exponential growth rate (source: https://mc-11560-1882305812.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/site...).

By opting to 'destroy' the original NBN, our government has knee-capped Australia's future economic prospects. Perhaps Lee Kuan Yew was right and Australia is destined to be the 'poor white-trash of Asia'.

Re: Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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I really don't understand the NBN meme. I've worked for small tech companies in Australia my entire (not so long) career, and access to high internet speeds has never ever really been a problem. When you're a programmer, what is the difference to your work between 10 and 100mbps, really? Yes, regional areas should be upgraded from dialup/slow sattelite to at least 10mbps. What kind of impact will that have wrt the OP…

I would kill for 10Mbps. That would reduce download times by more than a factor of two. I live in Canberra though, so it's not like high speed broadband is going to come near me in the next decade. Bandwidth requirements are increasi year over year, simply because once people can actually use slick media-rich sites, they actually do use them. Once people can VPN in to the Windows-centric workplace, they will. Once of…

Have you checked out iiNet's VDSL2 (using the fibre they acquired with TransACT)? I had no clue it existed and only recently stumbled across it. Getting about 60/20 now.

Re: Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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There is a actually a really nice program for startup founders the Australian government runs called NEIS (https://www.employment.gov.au/self-employment-new-enterprise...), but very few people know about it.

It's basically welfare for those starting their own company. You get paid the normal welfare rates (~$225AU per week in QLD) to start your company. You have to provide a basic business plan and meet up with a mentor once a month to ensure you're actually working on it, but other than that it's a free income stream.

Re: Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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> In an age where the state of the art broadband to the home in the U.S.A. is 10 gigabits, Australia is currently building (it claims) a National Broadband Network at great expense that promises a blistering 12 to 100 megabits per second at the top end I know it mentioned "state of the art", but the vast majority of Americans would be lucky to get 100 megabits without breaking the bank every month. Many (most?) don't…

Comcast is horrible and has a monopoly in Sacramento, California. Fastest speeds are typically 25 - 75mbps. 25mbps costs $59.99. Well, technically you can get AT&T "high speed" internet for $50+ per month, at a whopping 18mbps max. This is the capital of Califoria, so, yeah.

That's surprising. For all the crap they get, Comcast is somewhat aggressive, deploying faster DOCSIS 3/3.1 infrastructure and upgrading speeds for free.

Re: Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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Advising anyone to move countries to go to Silicon Valley (or SFO) seems irresponsible with the out of control property market and all the social issues that come with it. http://sf.curbed.com/archives/2015/10/09/the_median_rent_for...

Telling anyone from Sydney about an "out of control property market" seems... ill-advised.

Aussie expat in the US here. A studio apartment in SF costs 35k US$ a year to rent. That's almost 50k AUD$

It's at a point where people that aren't earning 6 figure salaries can't live in the city anymore.

I know the costs of living in Sydney and Melbourne is high, but SF is next level.

Re: Atlassian's success reminds what a crappy place Australia is for tech business

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Hey Australia, why not consider moving to NZ? 1. You can already move / live / work here without any immigration hassle. 2. We have an actual UFB fibre to the home network rolling out now that actually works. 3. Local and central government is pretty keen to support the technology scene - from government grants (refer Callaghan Innovation) to local tech hubs. AND help to connect in SF ( http://kiwilandingpad.com/ ) 4…

Interesting :) How about VC / Angel / funding scene? Is it pretty vibrant there? PS. The only downside to your offer is the weather, I like my weather 20-30*C :) I've been to Auckland and Wellington before and I struggle with the cold even during summer.

VC / Angel scene is a big issue at the moment, but improving. Capital is tight. That said, if you have a bit of track-record, the 'smallness' of NZ means you can often raise small amounts off the back of reputation. Then you probably want to look overseas for serious money. Or do a Xero and IPO locally - they've shown local 'normal' investors how forgoing profit for growth can work.

Also: the wildlife isn't venomous, the trees are not explosive and the sharks don't bite. Met with a friend from Sydney yesterday - she was enjoying the low 20s here after baking in 30+ in Sydney for the last few days. TBH it's a few degrees difference that you acclimatise too - you're not going to need a new wardrobe.

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