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Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by ausjke » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:24 AM UTC

A ticking device that is not supposed to be brought to other classes(he was notified by his science teacher), and is closed up with some string so you can not see what's inside, and by a 14 year old Muslim student, and suddenly it starts to tick during a class. If I'm the teacher I will call the cops too. Yes I know I'm politically incorrect here, and will get down votes for this, but if I'm the teacher I will do the same, though I do agree the cops can be much nicer to handle this.

On the other hand, I frequently found to speak your true thoughts here at HN, it _scares_ me to some extent, because different thoughts here will immediately be punished by down votes, such as the one above. Maybe it's time to close my HN account all together.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by fnordfnordfnord » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:27 AM UTC

bentruyman wrote: post #88

bigiain wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a home built clock. I think in Texas that'd make me suspicious - and I think that's _insane_.

But you even said if you had put it in a suitcase it would look like a bomb...

I think the point here is or ought to be that there are a lot of things that are completely normal that might be mistaken for a bomb by the ignorant or the uneducated. And no, that's not an excuse for the Irving ISD or Irving PD peoples' actions either since we expect them to be neither ignorant nor uneducated.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by bentruyman » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:35 AM UTC

bentruyman wrote: post #88

bigiain wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a home built clock. I think in Texas that'd make me suspicious - and I think that's _insane_.

But you even said if you had put it in a suitcase it would look like a bomb...

@fnordfnordfnord To my knowledge, no one has asserted this was ever a bomb. This is all about the zero-tolerance policy public schools appear to be applying to situations like this and others (see: gun shaped pop-tart). Hopefully situations like this give reason to begin discussions about rethinking the way we treat children in an environment where this kind of activity should be encouraged, not punished.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by plonh » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:39 AM UTC

dangoor wrote: post #28

twerkmonsta wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The Irving Police Department has always experienced an outstanding relationship with the Muslim community." Wait, if this was an objective reaction having only to do with the nature of the device, then why is the student's religion even mentioned?

I don't fault them for this, though I have no idea if it's true. This was stated because of the huge media firestorm and the belief that this wouldn't have happened to a Bob Jones. Had this happened to a Bob Jones, there would not have been people saying that this only happened because he was Christian, and the sentence above would not have been in the PD statement.

Note: it is not true. Irving government is one of the racist groups pushing "anti-Sharia" laws.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by plonh » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:41 AM UTC

ausjke wrote: post #91

A ticking device that is not supposed to be brought to other classes(he was notified by his science teacher), and is closed up with some string so you can not see what's inside, and by a 14 year old Muslim student, and suddenly it starts to tick during a class. If I'm the teacher I will call the cops too. Yes I know I'm politically incorrect here, and will get down votes for this, but if I'm the teacher I will do the…

HN does tend to have a bare minimum level of intellect and a maximum level of abject racisim for avoiding downvotes , higher than the free speech bar.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by plonh » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:44 AM UTC

krauthammer wrote: post #89

-It's an opposing orthodox religious family -It's in an ethnic christian holdout of the earth -The kid is above average, and the device looks like he's been dreaming of a suitcase nuke People should respect the patriarchy and the nations of the Earth. This family should live in the larger city in Texas, if anywhere. edit: You don't respect how the world and culture and sanity works or how many people are on it if you…

Clocks are not banned in Christianity.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by warrenb » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:46 AM UTC

Child Arrested Because Adults are Stupid: https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/09/child_arreste...

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by krauthammer » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:51 AM UTC

plonh wrote: post #96

krauthammer wrote: post #89

-It's an opposing orthodox religious family -It's in an ethnic christian holdout of the earth -The kid is above average, and the device looks like he's been dreaming of a suitcase nuke People should respect the patriarchy and the nations of the Earth. This family should live in the larger city in Texas, if anywhere. edit: You don't respect how the world and culture and sanity works or how many people are on it if you…

Clocks are not banned in Christianity.

That's just crazy talk just like calling a bigot a crazy person. Once again the world has failed inspect the relationship two nations have with each other appropriately.

There's nothing wrong with what Texas did by arresting this muslim. He could have been doing it all for his father and for the arab spring, especially considering the intelligence they are showing and the outcry from the liberal community.

If you move to Saudi Arabia you have to stick to the bigger city if you have friction with them, and his family should have known to do that. That's the basics of life, and it will not change. Stop targeting Texas.

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by 001sky » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 2:58 AM UTC

bigiain wrote: post #78

001sky wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, go try joking about explosives in security line at the airport, or at the white-house, or the local federal courthouse. Its not the joke you are getting (going to be) arrested for, its not the absurdity, its not the freedom of speech you are exercising. Its also not racist or whatever...it is just not the context for jokes. Second, The for the "timepiece" is straight out of a B movie. see, eg https://www.googl…

First - he never mentioned, joked, or claimed anything about explosives (but the cops carefully framed that as him "not being forthcoming"). The only people talking about explosives were the "adults". Second - when did it become "OK" to handcuff and question children without lawyers based on what b-grade movie makers choose to use as stereotypes? (Sorry you're getting downvoted so hard - I disagree but would rather d…

http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-wozniak-in-jail-fake-bo...

Re: Ahmed Mohamed will not face charges related to device [pdf]

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Post by 001sky » Thu, Sep 17, 2015, 3:10 AM UTC

hdctambien wrote: post #74

bigiain wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously? You think it's the _clock design_ that's absurd, and not the school and cop's ignorant reactions? Should I be convicted of a "bomb hoax" for this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigiain/5162711688/ Note my description from five years ago shows somewhat more considered-but-not-carried-out intent than this kid... I think you are 100% wrong. People who assume anything vaguely electronic that they don't underst…

Considering this[0] is what an actual bomb looks like, practically every student at every school could be carrying a bomb. The teacher he showed the clock to in the morning is kicking himself for not telling the kid to leave it with him and pick it up at the end of the day. He knew what the administration/other teachers would think if they saw it. What if it was a bomb. Or the timer for a bomb that was already plante…

Just a note--an IED in a backpack is what IED looks like...that's the whole point of an ied--strategic ambiquity, right? Your larger point is correct, tho, that adults should have sacked up and handled this thing immediately. Common sense being 20/20 in hindsight.