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The Internet of Way Too Many Things

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Re: The Internet of Way Too Many Things

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As someone who is building IoT devices (www.flair.zone), I would say that many of these complaints resonate with me. There have been two motivating factors behind what we are doing: Building the Internet of Useful Things and not building the Internet of Expensive Things. So far that has worked well for us and we haven't even launched officially.

Nest (as a company) is an interesting case to examine with respect to this article. The thermostat in it of itself was a much needed upgrade for some and dropcam has a ton of potential for more complete automation triggering, but the protect was pretty marginal value add if you ask me. Fires just aren't that big of a problem statistically and while a smoke alarm that can call the fire department is great in theory, in practice people are leery of false alarms when it could be incredibly expensive. And the 'works with nest' integrations are fascinating: its largly a bunch of companies that want to be associated with Nest and its percieved superiority from a brand/acquisition/something(?) perspective and then integrate these super low value add enhancements. Like the Whirlpool integration: '[if we know when you are getting home, we can refresh your clothes so they stay wrinkle free]'. Such a ridiculous proposition for an integration.

Leeo was particularly crazy. It was a case of 'top tier founders' that all the VCs in the valley love with 30M in investment before leaving stealth mode. Everyone assumed they must be onto the next big thing but it was in fact a giant let down. I am sure the pitch was great: we are going to put a microphone in each room and have voice command in every room but somehow they lost sight and it just became a smoke alarm relay. The other angle maybe was that they could convince insures to subsidize them like (GE/Wink)? I would love to see the total number of dollars invested into residential smoke detectors by consumers annually, the number of house fires in the US/World (and aggregate damage/loss of life) all compared to the stealth mode investment of this company...The internet of things will happen and some devices will add substantial value by better managing energy adding real convinience but the author correctly found some really questionable value add and called it out.

Re: The Internet of Way Too Many Things

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I just bought a home, and just started a considerable renovation. I'm putting in new water pipes, new electrical wiring, etc. I thought of putting "smart" devices (i.e. switches, alarms, thermostats, etc.) given the "advantages" these promise. After considerable research, it's not worth the hussle or money. Let's put aside the fact that these are considerable more expensive, and won't breakeven in years (some devices…

One of the companies that is solving this very problem is Xiaomi. Their method is quite crude - that is, they make everything themselves. But the end result is that everything they make - from an air purifier to a TV - is connected and operated via a similar / familiar OS called MIUI. They give away their phones for very cheap, because the phone is the Trojan horse - it is the remote control for all the other devices…

Weeds grow fast too. Maybe I'll go buy some.

Re: The Internet of Way Too Many Things

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The Internet of things is starting to look like 'Sky Mall'. Time will show if the concept gains traction with the majority of people. At this point I don't see the single mom working in food service for minimum wage buying her children electric onesies. We should be working on improving existing technologies. Not dreaming up a million more that all inherit the same flaws as the ones we already deal with.

Yes. And "Sky Mall" went bankrupt in January 2015.[1] [1] http://www.wsj.com/articles/in-flight-catalog-skymall-files-...

Ouch. Even as a kid I always wondered 'Who the hell shops out of these catalogs, and who came up with these products?'

Sky Mall provided at least 30 minutes of trolling fun on a flight. :)

Re: The Internet of Way Too Many Things

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Commentary about the silliness of the avalanche of IOT devices being created right now aside (99% of consumer internet startups are based on dumb ideas and fail, but that doesn't mean there is no market or trend!), it's inevitable that this stuff is going to get traction in the market and it's a vast market. I doubt it's going to happen based on a bunch of edge-case $99 devices though. The big trend here is the cost…

"My guess is that almost everyone reading this forum spends a shitload of money buying techno gadgets for reasons beyond "it saves me money."" My guess would be that the HN reader is more discerning and sophisticated than that. I am guessing that a lot of HN readers are considering questions like: - how many different sources of data egress do I want in my home ? (as few as possible) - how many different wireless net…

The business model part of your comment scares the crap out of me the more I let it sit.

Case in point, printer manufacturers are now nlargely no longer selling individual b/w and color cartridges. They now sell them physically connected as a single block and when one color goes, you gotta toss the whole thing. And God help you if you try to refill with generics and void the warrNty.

Now picture that applied to your home, with companies doing their damnedest to lock you into their overpriced proprietary consumables. Familiar with Simple Human? Case in point and they aren't even a Smart Device. Imagine if they refused to update unless you switched to their SaaS model like some certain software companies have.

Re: The Internet of Way Too Many Things

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I'm cynica that will be the case. On the Internet TV front we have roku, apple tv, chrome cast, kindle fire TV-- all of them empty plastic boxes doing nearly the same exact thing, and yet there is no interop to speak of. It's just more walled gardens

I've been considering replacing my media PC with a Roku, so I'm curious why you would call them "empty plastic boxes" considering the Roku can stream from my local server and I block all outbound requests at my router (firewall). The advantage I see is the 5W power draw vs. my current 20W. I'm also unclear on what interoperability would mean for one of these devices. I don't think 2 Roku on the same network have any…

Assuming $50.00 for a Roku, electricity at $0.15/kWh, and 16 hours average daily usage, breakeven point is in ~3.8 years vs. an existing 20W solution.

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It's not 'unfair'. (are you implying I was unduly harsh on the gent?) Let's take sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Because of SIDS, it is now recommended in the videos I watched yesterday, that infants be put down on their backs with no pillows in the parents' bedroom but not in their bed. This has no bearing on prenatal care or wealth, but has an effect, which could probably be enhanced by a smart baby monitor.

It's not possible to lay an infant on its back if it's wearing a dumb onesie?

14-16 years ago, it wasn't even possible to get out of a hospital without having this explained to you in detail. I can only imagine what it's like now.

"Smart onesies" are silly.

Re: The Internet of Way Too Many Things

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I thought that a cot death meant that this remained unexplained. Now a baby monitor reduces cot deaths? I'm really interested to read about that claim.

It remains unexplained but things are correlated with it, and possibly have an unexplained causal effect.

No, baby monitors have been studied. It's not a big mystery. Monitoring doesn't make a dent in SIDS. Education does. "Don't put infants to sleep on their stomachs".

Re: The Internet of Way Too Many Things

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I've never understood the desire to add smart technology to the smoke alarm. Once properly installed a smoke alarm should be interacted with when (1) there is a fire, (2) the battery is running flat. False alarms pretty much mean you've installed it wrong.

> I've never understood the desire to add smart technology to the smoke alarm. Because very few things suck more than coming home from work and your house is burnt down because the smoke alarm wasn't heard by anyone and by the time the fire crews arrive it's too late. Happened to a friend of mine, house was beyond repair even though fire crews arrived 10min after a passing driver noticed the blaze.

A smoke detector is there to alert the occupants of the building so that they get out. If it was an actual alarm system that is connected to a dispatcher, the firefighters would've been notified.

Re: The Internet of Way Too Many Things

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I just bought a home, and just started a considerable renovation. I'm putting in new water pipes, new electrical wiring, etc. I thought of putting "smart" devices (i.e. switches, alarms, thermostats, etc.) given the "advantages" these promise. After considerable research, it's not worth the hussle or money. Let's put aside the fact that these are considerable more expensive, and won't breakeven in years (some devices…

That's why you make sure they use one of the standards based protocols, then buy something like a smartthings hub which is open enough that you can write your own apps if the vendor decides to abandon theirs. You don't need the vendor to update their app, you just need them to operate with the hub, and then talk to the hub directly to control the device.

Re: The Internet of Way Too Many Things

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post #2

I just bought a home, and just started a considerable renovation. I'm putting in new water pipes, new electrical wiring, etc. I thought of putting "smart" devices (i.e. switches, alarms, thermostats, etc.) given the "advantages" these promise. After considerable research, it's not worth the hussle or money. Let's put aside the fact that these are considerable more expensive, and won't breakeven in years (some devices…

That's why you make sure they use one of the standards based protocols, then buy something like a smartthings hub which is open enough that you can write your own apps if the vendor decides to abandon theirs. You don't need the vendor to update their app, you just need them to operate with the hub, and then talk to the hub directly to control the device.
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