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Yup, Xiamoi makes everything interoperable by making it themselves. And Apple makes HomeKit. And Google makes their own. And Microsoft makes their own. And HP makes their own. And... See the problem?
I do. And you are right. I think we will get to a place where one company does it right, before we agree on an interoperable standard.
The Internet of Way Too Many Things
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#62Is the smartphone really a revolution in product design or just the inevitability of technological convergence? There is essentially no fundamental difference between products listed. Sure, the user function may differ, but the actual implementations are all based on the same phenomena: stored information manipulable through electromagnetic fields.
How early on was a device like the modern smartphone conceived? I'd wager not long after the discovery of silicon transistors.
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Yet we use public transportation in many parts of the world and few bad things have happened. We use door handles everywhere. Etc.
Door handles are a big problem in hospitals. I'd take the bet that they are a bigger problem in public places than is generally acknowledged.
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That's not fair. He didn't say "children should be raised to exactly the same standards as they were in 1977". He said "we were raised without the benefits of smart-onesies, and we came out fine". Those are two different arguments. Meanwhile, the reality is that the bulk of the decline in US infant mortality is attributable to improved prenatal care. If you want to keep arguing about the value of modernizing parentin…
It's not 'unfair'. (are you implying I was unduly harsh on the gent?) Let's take sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). Because of SIDS, it is now recommended in the videos I watched yesterday, that infants be put down on their backs with no pillows in the parents' bedroom but not in their bed. This has no bearing on prenatal care or wealth, but has an effect, which could probably be enhanced by a smart baby monitor.
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#65I'm also (many times a day) reminded of some Douglas Adams bits.
1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. 2. Anything that's invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. 3. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.”
And this (though you should read the full thing):
Another problem with the net is that it’s still ‘technology’, and ‘technology’, as the computer scientist Bran Ferren memorably defined it, is ‘stuff that doesn’t work yet.’ We no longer think of chairs as technology, we just think of them as chairs. But there was a time when we hadn’t worked out how many legs chairs should have, how tall they should be, and they would often ‘crash’ when we tried to use them. Before long, computers will be as trivial and plentiful as chairs...
So, since Douglas was writing (a) a lot more of us are operating in the 15-35 category where technology is cool and (b) a lot more of the stuff around us is technology in the sense that it doesn't quite work yet. It's become pretty much standard in startup-technology land to make the case that some technology "tick all the boxes," saving time, money and generally being ultilitarian and awesome. people who want to buy tecnology because its cool, play along. They need some way of justifying an internet-of-things coke machine, which they want because it's new and exciting.
Internet-of-things is still at the stage where we're throwing things against the wall. Most of it is not useful, or barely useful and the people who buy it, do so because they want to... for fun.
That doesn't mean none of it is useful or that some generally useless thing isn't useful for you, it just means you have a two legged chair.
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#66I just bought a home, and just started a considerable renovation. I'm putting in new water pipes, new electrical wiring, etc. I thought of putting "smart" devices (i.e. switches, alarms, thermostats, etc.) given the "advantages" these promise. After considerable research, it's not worth the hussle or money. Let's put aside the fact that these are considerable more expensive, and won't breakeven in years (some devices…
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#67Commentary about the silliness of the avalanche of IOT devices being created right now aside (99% of consumer internet startups are based on dumb ideas and fail, but that doesn't mean there is no market or trend!), it's inevitable that this stuff is going to get traction in the market and it's a vast market. I doubt it's going to happen based on a bunch of edge-case $99 devices though. The big trend here is the cost…
As an engineer in this industry, these companies often seem like carpetbaggers, attempting to enter niche markets they know little of, with a solution who's only merit is it's hype.
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#68Commentary about the silliness of the avalanche of IOT devices being created right now aside (99% of consumer internet startups are based on dumb ideas and fail, but that doesn't mean there is no market or trend!), it's inevitable that this stuff is going to get traction in the market and it's a vast market. I doubt it's going to happen based on a bunch of edge-case $99 devices though. The big trend here is the cost…
My guess would be that the HN reader is more discerning and sophisticated than that.
I am guessing that a lot of HN readers are considering questions like:
- how many different sources of data egress do I want in my home ? (as few as possible)
- how many different wireless network topologies should be running, and overlayed, on my home ? (perhaps zero, other than wifi and cellular)
- how fragile should my appliances be to things like DoS, firmware compatibility, licensing, network connectivity, etc. ? (not fragile at all)
Think of your current interactions with your printer. Think of how often that works flawlessly and how often it doesn't and think of the underlying business models and network models that make it so (god-damned) fragile and user-hostile. Now imagine everything works like this. That's the Internet of Things. I suspect many HN readers are quite wary of it ...
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do. And you are right. I think we will get to a place where one company does it right, before we agree on an interoperable standard.
I'm cynica that will be the case. On the Internet TV front we have roku, apple tv, chrome cast, kindle fire TV-- all of them empty plastic boxes doing nearly the same exact thing, and yet there is no interop to speak of. It's just more walled gardens
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#70Is it not obvious that if things are too expensive or not that useful, folks won't buy it?
Does the IoT really raise that many new issues concerning integration, usability, sustainability, and privacy? I haven't studied it, but my intuition is: not really.