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Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by reasonishy »

sahaskatta wrote: post #79
tw04 wrote: post #65

I get that the Tesla is awesome, but it seems pretty frigging ridiculous that to give a car 103 out of 100 when it only has a range of 200 miles.

How ridiculous would it be for a car company to give you a lifetime unlimited supply of gasoline along with the purchase of your car? Absolutely ridiculous. Guess what? That's exactly what Tesla does. http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger Unlike gas cars, you start off with 200 miles of range EVERY MORNING since you charge overnight. Most Americans also only drive an average of 40 miles a day. And for those long tr…

They recently told people to stop using the supercharger so much. I'm doubtful it's a viable business model long term.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by matheweis »

dragontamer wrote: post #21
amalag wrote: post #13

So did they take affordability into account?

They took neither affordability nor reliability into account. Details here: http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/tesla-model-s-p85d-b...

... which are the two most important things that I care about. I which there was a rating system that looked at these - especially over the long term.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by kbenson »

rebootthesystem wrote: post #86
adam12 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course it doesn't make them responsible. I just don't think someone should be driving like that unless they are on a test track.

No different from guns. It's about how and who is using them, not the guns. I've owned one or another fire-breathing twin-turbocharged performance cars most of my life. I have never caused an accident. In fact, to echo what someone else said, some of the most dangerous situations I find myself in with alarming frequency is getting on the 5 fwy right behind someone who merges onto the freeway at 45 mph with semi-truck…

I would agree that while driving faster is inherently more dangerous by it's nature, the small increase in danger in that case is vastly less dangerous than driving without awareness of your surroundings, or driving without awareness of consequences even if you are aware of your surroundings (I'm talking about you, puddle-jumpers and people that switch lanes with less than a few feet between their bumpers and the people around them).

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by beachstartup »

killface wrote: post #83
beachstartup wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i punch it at full throttle to 65mph every time i use an on-ramp. i bought a performance car to use it as advertised. perfectly legal, and appropriate, when traffic permits. in fact, if you don't, you're probably a shitty driver and need to learn how to merge. when you're merging into a river of steel doing 80mph and you're doing 45 because you're watching the consumption meter on your hybrid, you're an asshole.

you must live in the bay area...

even worse, i live in LA.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by tw04 »

sahaskatta wrote: post #79
tw04 wrote: post #65

I get that the Tesla is awesome, but it seems pretty frigging ridiculous that to give a car 103 out of 100 when it only has a range of 200 miles.

How ridiculous would it be for a car company to give you a lifetime unlimited supply of gasoline along with the purchase of your car? Absolutely ridiculous. Guess what? That's exactly what Tesla does. http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger Unlike gas cars, you start off with 200 miles of range EVERY MORNING since you charge overnight. Most Americans also only drive an average of 40 miles a day. And for those long tr…

How ridiculous would it be for a car company to give you a lifetime unlimited supply of gasoline - but you have to wait in line 30 minutes for it every time. And oh by the way, it's an hour from your house, and you'll use a third of a tank getting there and back. And there's only like 200 stations total worldwide. So... awesome, right? Oh, and we built the cost of those stations into the car, so it's not REALLY free.

yawn

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by awestley »

johnward wrote: post #40
rsync wrote: post #11

""They have an interesting rating system. It ends up representing the fact that all this performance and fuel efficiency comes out of a car that can seat 7 people. The variant that does 0-60 quicker and gives you AWD gives you better energy consumption. Things like these are what blew up their scale."" A few weeks ago (a month ago ?) BMW released the spec sheet / announcement for the new 7 series. And it's just sad.…

I'm a Tesla fan but the 7 series still wins in "recharge" time.

As a tesla driver and former ICE driver and I disagree about charge time. I used to get gas at least once a week (10-15 minutes each visit). With the home charger I only needed to stop at a changer once, since December. That was for a total of 20 minutes (The car only needed 10 minutes, but I stayed a little longer). Driving an EV car is very different than a gas car, but you get used to it quickly. Just the other day I was driving my ICE car and the gas light turned on. The first thing that popped into my head was "No problem, I'll be home soon". It's funny how quickly you get used to things.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by sp332 »

dragontamer wrote: post #67
tptacek wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, there are also tons of shitty American cars you could have bought to get better 0-60 times for the dollar. The point is there are other metrics than 0-60, and in fact 0-60 is --- at least within a given bracket of cars --- a pretty cheap metric to optimize.

I'm a fan of "fastest Laguna Seca Lap". But I know a bunch of "American Muscle" guys who only care about 0-60. But I prefer statistics that include a combination of good turns, tight handling, AND strong acceleration. Tesla performs horribly on Laguna Lap, but so do all the American Muscle cars. You basically need a low-weight car with high acceleration to do well. Other raceway times are also interesting. But that's…

The list, if anyone's looking for it http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by frandroid »

sahaskatta wrote: post #79
tw04 wrote: post #65

I get that the Tesla is awesome, but it seems pretty frigging ridiculous that to give a car 103 out of 100 when it only has a range of 200 miles.

How ridiculous would it be for a car company to give you a lifetime unlimited supply of gasoline along with the purchase of your car? Absolutely ridiculous. Guess what? That's exactly what Tesla does. http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger Unlike gas cars, you start off with 200 miles of range EVERY MORNING since you charge overnight. Most Americans also only drive an average of 40 miles a day. And for those long tr…

Considering the warning letters they sent to frequent supercharger users, what Tesla gives is not a lifetime supply of Gasoline. What they provide are charging way points for long distance travellers. You're still supposed to charge at home.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by sp332 »

coldpie wrote: post #77
moron4hire wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never been inside a Tesla, but I've driven a few thousand miles in a (rented) BMW, and I would really be very surprised if Tesla could beat BMW in the "pure, crystallized-shit of UX" department. iDrive is an abomination.

All screens in cars are abominations and I will never buy one.

iDrive has (had?) a little knob that you had to navigate the UI with.

Re: Tesla’s Model S P85D Scores 103 Out of 100 on Consumer Reports’ Ratings System

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Post by johnward »

jazzyk wrote: post #78
johnward wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a Tesla fan but the 7 series still wins in "recharge" time.

True, and in the abundance of "charging" stations. But it is the _only_ advantage left (see disclaimer at the end). - Reliability should be much higher with Tesla, as the engine is much simpler. - Ride quality. The 7 is a boat, does not have the agility of smaller, sportier BMW models. - Looks. Obviously subjective, but 7's styling is very conservative and has not changed much. Disclaimer: These two cars are targeted…

I'd also say BMW wins in the interior also. At the price point I would still opt for a Tesla but I was commuting 120 miles round trip which gives me slight range anxiety. The P85 is my favorite of all cars I've driven so far.
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