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Post by endemic »

mafuy wrote: post #793
vpShane wrote: post #737

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They didn't 'win' - use a laptop. Phones are decent for certain things but no, you don't need to use WhatsApp, IoT apps -- most have bluetooth, and you don't have to 'interact with modern society' Interact with good circles of people and stuff. I mean, it's cool that my pixel is some mini high powered TPU computer that can run apps, F-Droid etc, but I only really care about the 5g data link within it. If any app refu…

Don't close your eyes from reality. I am forced to use a phone app to log in into any of the several banks that I use. There is no web version.

cool story, I can log in to all my banks on the web!

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by rdiddly »

tikhonj wrote: post #508
rdiddly wrote: post #427

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There are about 800 unique weekly committers to the Chromium project, so that's a start at gauging the number for that project. A little harder to find that same figure for Firefox, but Wikipedia says Mozilla Corp had about 750 employees as of 2020. Anyway, if you have $50M, you can afford 500 people at $100k, or 250 people at $200k. So you simply declare, this is how many people it takes to make a browser, and set y…

You're significantly underestimating fully-loaded cost per person + other expenses. An engineer making a $200k salary is going to cost the company something like $300k, and there are some additional fixed overheads. And $200k is quite a bit less than your competitors are paying. So you're looking at something more like 150 employees total of which <100 are going to be pure engineers, and that's stretching your budget…

None of those figures are what the engineer makes, they're costs. And they're illustrative, not literal. You won't pay everyone at the same rate either for example, and not all will be engineers either, and I totally left both those facts out of it. Oh no! And also omitted the fact that a company whose vision and ideals people agree with can hire said people for less money, which again brings us back around to the point that the vision might be more important.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by fsflover »

mikestorrent wrote: post #727
ethbr1 wrote: post #701

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Privacy, availability, popularity respectively.

Signal is already ostensibly private, available, and popular enough, and doesn't have ads... why compete? IMO Mozilla should just double down on the browser and do everything they can to keep it as a lifeline for Free Software devices to be able to participate on the internet as first class citizens.

Signal intentionally made their messaging rely on a single, central point of failure, perfect for targeting by all sorts of criminals and governments. If Mozilla provides a Matrix server, I will seriously consider it.

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by input_sh »

freehorse wrote: post #799
input_sh wrote: post #781

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> Pretty much everyone trusts Kagi ...on a forum run by its investors whose goal is to push Kagi, sure. Outside of this forum, nobody knows about a fringe little search engine that is paywalled and only has 62k users. For a brand like Mozilla, even something as dumb as Ecosia would be a better fit, as they have about 250x the number of users of Kagi.

> on a forum run by its investors They are not VC funded afaik, and esp not YC funded. > 250x the number of users If you offer the service for free and serve ads in "privacy respecting way" sure you get more users. But anyway this is a mozilla's states goal too, so it would fit.

https://help.kagi.com/kagi/company/

Third paragraph. They didn't go down the official YC route, they just let their initial users invest in it. How many of those investors do you think are among us here pushing it at every opportunity because it's in their (undisclosed) financial interest to do so? Even when it makes no sense to do so like here?

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Post by amrocha »

kbelder wrote: post #760
amrocha wrote: post #721

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It’s easy to claim neutrality when it’s other people being oppressed

Ok. I actually think you ought to be able to refuse to hire somebody you disagree with like that. I think you would be very wrong in doing so, though.

Would it be wrong to refuse to hire a neonazi? What kind of people do you think your organization will attract if you start hiring neonazis?

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Post by tstrimple »

ecshafer wrote: post #332
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #240

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I wonder if in hindsight he's embarrassed to have been on the wrong side of history. Imagine spending your time and money fighting inevitable social change. Fighting gay marriage is just a time-shifted fight against women voting or interracial marriage.

No, those are all completely separate things.

Only to bigots.

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Post by amrocha »

dangus wrote: post #884
amrocha wrote: post #439

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I’m not exactly surprised that AI grifters that have probably bet all their life savings on nvidia “love” their AI browsers.

Shit on it all you want, the utility of AI is undeniable. Laggards say exactly what you’re saying now.

It’s actually very deniable. Check this out i’m gonna do it now. AI has been a net negative to my life. Boom, denied.

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Post by fsflover »

Tepix wrote: post #854
aydyn wrote: post #790

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lots of people seem to trust apple

Yes but Apple is also avoiding collecting a huge amount of data, e.g. by doing things on-device.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/04/10/apple-makes-it-re...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43047952

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42014588

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34299433

Re: Mozilla appoints new CEO Anthony Enzor-Demeo

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Post by reactordev »

gkoberger wrote: post #275

Having worked at Mozilla a while ago, the CEO role is one I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Success is oddly defined: it's a non-profit (well, a for-profit owned by a non-profit) that needs to make a big profit in a short amount of time. And anything done to make that profit will annoy the community. I hope Anthony leans into what makes Mozilla special. The past few years, Mozilla's business model has been to just m…

I’m sorry but Mozilla is out of their league now.

Firefox is all they have. They know the web, but that’s where it ends. They haven’t been relevant outside of web standards for more than a decade.

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